What did Malcolm X Do that was so GREAT? - Page 3

Tahliba · (#51 (**permalink**))

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Ihear people talk of him as if he is this saint. This great leader. But what did he do any different than the average preacher, because essentially that is what he was. He wasn't a black leader. If you weren't in the NOI, how did he he help us? By saying the chickens coming home to roost, he became a black leader

Instead of comparing him to MLK, you should be comparing someone like Medgar Evers.

I think a lot of black people have this Tupac like obsession with Malcolm. You can't imagine what he would have done, because he didn't get chance to do it. You can only go by what he did and his actions. I think the Autobiography of Malcolm X, Spike's movie and X hats has youpeeps brainwashed.

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I think you have asked a valid question. what did Malcolm do that was so great? We should examine the contributions of our Hero's to enable us to understand them in context and draw from the postives, that is learn from them to equip us for the future and the continuing stuggles.

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My short answer to the question, What did he do that was so great?... Nothing particularly outstanding, and that is not to dismiss what he did do. Malcolm is one in a long historical list of African philosophers/intellectuals/educators/preachers and if you like prophets.

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Like many of his time and even more that went before him, he found a means of telling us how it was, in order to show us what to do to make a change....For me what he did was educate in a very public way (and scared the shit out of not only the 'system' but African middle America and wannabes)

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He stood up to be counted, and faced down the enemy....As did King who is also a part of our history of struggle against the 'system'.

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We should not be following designed thought that the two greats'thinkers' of late 20th C liberation struggles should be compared in such a unconstructive way...Remember their journeys took different paths they came to meet at the same junction.

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I agree that the Malcom biography and particularly the Spike Lee film have confused people in concerns Malcom...People can only understand/see is contribution if they read/listen to his speech's in order. Spike Lee did us a great injustice with that film, it played to Malcolm as an Icon, a poster with quotes.

Gmahogany · (#52 (**permalink**))

Tahliba wrote:

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Black_power wrote:

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Ihear people talk of him as if he is this saint. This great leader. But what did he do any different than the average preacher, because essentially that is what he was. He wasn't a black leader. If you weren't in the NOI, how did he he help us? By saying the chickens coming home to roost, he became a black leader

Instead of comparing him to MLK, you should be comparing someone like Medgar Evers.

I think a lot of black people have this Tupac like obsession with Malcolm. You can't imagine what he would have done, because he didn't get chance to do it. You can only go by what he did and his actions. I think the Autobiography of Malcolm X, Spike's movie and X hats has youpeeps brainwashed.

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I think you have asked a valid question. what did Malcolm do that was so great? We should examine the contributions of our Hero's to enable us to understand them in context and draw from the postives, that is learn from them to equip us for the future and the continuing stuggles.

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My short answer to the question, What did he do that was so great?... Nothing particularly outstanding, and that is not to dismiss what he did do. Malcolm is one in a long historical list of African philosophers/intellectuals/educators/preachers and if you like prophets.

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Like many of his time and even more that went before him, he found a means of telling us how it was, in order to show us what to do to make a change....For me what he did was educate in a very public way (and scared the sh*t out of not only the 'system' but African middle America and wannabes)

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He stood up to be counted, and faced down the enemy....As did King who is also a part of our history of struggle against the 'system'.

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We should not be following designed thought that the two greats'thinkers' of late 20th C liberation struggles should be compared in such a unconstructive way...Remember their journeys took different paths they came to meet at the same junction.

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I agree that the Malcom biography and particularly the Spike Lee film have confused people in concerns Malcom...People can only understand/see is contribution if they read/listen to his speech's in order. Spike Lee did us a great injustice with that film, it played to Malcolm as an Icon, a poster with quotes.

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Interesting comments. I agree that the autobiography and the movie confused a lot of folks, but I don't blame Alex Haley or Spike Lee.Spike's movie, in particular, was a labor of love, he had a hard time even completing it, ran out of money, etc. Telling a life story in a movie is limiting. Things are left out and fictitious things are added, in the interest of telling a"good story". I was talking to someone about the movie one time and they were going on and on about how it was terrible that the character Baines, who brought Malcolm to the Nation, was the one who turned on him. I told them that was a fictional plot device, one of Malcolm's siblings joined the Nation before he did, and wrote him in jail, telling him all about it. There was no Baines, in real life.

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I blame people's confusion on their own intellectual laziness. The book and themovie should beused asstarting points for most people, not asa be all and end all.

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Rant alert....

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I also think it's amusing thatsome Black people continue to minimize the importance of what Malcom, or Garvey, or Carter G. Woodson,etc, said, considering thefact that it's painfully clear that many of us didn't fully comprehend them during their lifetimes, andSTILL don't comprehend them;40,80, 100 plus years, AFTER, theydid their things.It's the samearrogance that causes some of us to look down at our enslaved ancestors, even make fun of them, the way they spoke, etc. The ironic thing is that many of us with our worship/fear of white people, our obsessionwith colorism and our use of terms like "high yellow", "redbone", "good hair",and other cute variations, would fit right in on aslave plantation.The moreintelligent slaves would probably have viewed some of us as clowns, because plenty of them DIDN'T buy into that foolishness THEN, and they lived their whole lives asslaves. Here we are, never living as a slave and some of us buy into it hook, line and sinker. Yet, have the nerve to act like we already KNEW this that and the other,before Malcolm or whoever, said whatever. Ya'll niggas didn't knowshit,lol.........

Tahliba · (#53 (**permalink**))

Gmahogany wrote:

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I blame people's confusion on their own intellectual laziness. The book and themovie should beused asstarting points for most people, not asa be all and end all.

Actually I would 'blame it on, instant gratification'

I should have expanded more when I said the 'book', which I believe to be a must read, as any autobiography of those who have been involved in the struggle-the sung and the unsung. But that is my problem with the book, many feel that this is all they need to read, for many it doesbecome, the 'end all'.

However the biog only tells the story upto the point it is written. X's views and opinions his ideologies, changed considerably in the latter years of his life...There was more to come.

A truer understanding of him, comes fromreading not onlythe biographybut, every transcribed speech in the order they were given/wrote, always keeping in mind the context in which they were wrote/spoke.

I believe we need to ask the question in order that we use the answer to prepare us for the future.

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Rant alert....

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I also think it's amusing thatsome Black people continue to minimize the importance of what Malcom, or Garvey, or Carter G. Woodson,etc, said, considering thefact that it's painfully clear that many of us didn't fully comprehend them during their lifetimes, andSTILL don't comprehend them;40,80, 100 plus years, AFTER, theydid their things.It's the samearrogance that causes some of us to look down at our enslaved ancestors, even make fun of them, the way they spoke, etc. The ironic thing is that many of us with our worship/fear of white people, our obsessionwith colorism and our use of terms like "high yellow", "redbone", "good hair",and other cute variations, would fit right in on aslave plantation.The moreintelligent slaves would probably have viewed some of us as clowns, because plenty of them DIDN'T buy into that foolishness THEN, and they lived their whole lives asslaves. Here we are, never living as a slave and some of us buy into it hook, line and sinker. Yet, have the nerve to act like we already KNEW this that and the other,before Malcolm or whoever, said whatever. Ya'll N****rs didn't knowsh*t,lol.........

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And althoughI have only skimmed all previous posts (think I skipped an whole page) I am arogant enough to believe that nothing in your 'rant' is in reference to moi

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Tahliba · (#54 (**permalink**))

Actually don't know how I missed this bit, but anyway...

Spike's movie, in particular, was a labor of love, he had a hard time even completing it, ran out of money, etc. Telling a life story in a movie is limiting. Things are left out and fictitious things are added, in the interest of telling a"good story". I was talking to someone about the movie one time and they were going on and on about how it was terrible that the character Baines, who brought Malcolm to the Nation, was the one who turned on him. I told them that was a fictional plot device, one of Malcolm's siblings joined the Nation before he did, and wrote him in jail, telling him all about it. There was no Baines, in real life.

Labour of love! In Lee's case that's love me, everyone. Labour of love or not, the film was 'Holywood produced' The whole I've run out of money' was a publicity stunt.

'Things are left out and ficticious things added'...Because he chooseto higlight Malcom the 'icon' not Malcom/Shabazz (sp) the teacher, the revolutionary. Because he paid more attention spent 'all the budget' on his stupid, immature, special effects and iconic imaging. The film was an expression ofLees artistic nature, rather than the true politics of the man, and the times in which he lived.

'Fictional plot divice' What the film or Spike Lee?

Tahliba · (#55 (**permalink**))

There are only 20 speeches here and no particular order (I don't think?)

http://www.brothermalcolm.net/

DSP · (#56 (**permalink**))

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MzTeacher · (#57 (**permalink**))

many folks, unfortuantely let the media guide their thoughts and beliefs. what malcolm x did was give others a view of our situation in a different perspective. when he went to mecca and found things out for himself, he relayed to to others, what he encountered in mecca. to sum it all up, he opened our minds.

Breadfruit · (#58 (**permalink**))

A Question : Who knows what yearMalcolm went to Mecca and what happened that was so significant to his story?

Gmahogany · (#59 (**permalink**))

Breadfruit wrote:

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A Question : Who knows what yearMalcolm went to Mecca and what happened that was so significant to his story?

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If i'm not mistaken, the Mecca trip that everyone goes on and on about, ad nauseam took place in 1964, but it was actually not his first trip there. He had been there in the late 50's as a representative of Elijah Muhhamad(a tidbit people conveniently ignore), who could not go, which is why I think that too much is made of Mecca being the cause of his so called metamorphasis. His beef with Muhhamad was the biggest cause of any change in view that occured, in my opinion, and like I said, how much his opinions changed is greatly exaggerated and misrepresented. The speeches he made after the trip, bear witness to that.

Tahliba · (#60 (**permalink**))

Breadfruit wrote:

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A Question : Who knows what yearMalcolm went to Mecca and what happened that was so significant to his story?

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The significance was not just his visit to Mecca but his visit to Africaand meeting other African leaders.

Tahliba · (#61 (**permalink**))

Tahliba wrote:

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Breadfruit wrote:

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A Question : Who knows what yearMalcolm went to Mecca and what happened that was so significant to his story?

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The significance was not just his visit to Mecca but his visit to Africaand meeting other African leaders.

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Having now read some responses I feel this needs repeating

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@ DSP

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what does blktypemean? Anyone?