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26-02-06, 04:05 AM
someone started a thread about reporting benefit cheats and looks like many people are willing to do so
Now I wonder if they would aslo shop an 'illegal'
personally I wouldnt shop an illegal or a benefit cheat since I dont believe in that attitude and the point that some claim that its their taxes I wonder what would they say about Prince Charles who gets the best housing benefit in the world
I wouldnt shop an illegal either since I dont believe that Human being can be an 'illegal' in this day and age
the bottom line is would you?
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No. The govt has made it so hard for anyone to come (let alone stay) here 'legally' and is pandering to the majority RACISTS views. Like Coltrane, I don't believe anyone is 'illegal'. If they are willing to come to this God-forsaken country, then they must need to do so for a good reason. They are human beings trying to look after their own.
Have anyone noticed that all the South Africans in the media are white. This coming from a MAJORITY 'black' country?
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26-02-06, 12:24 PM
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someone started a thread about reporting benefit cheats and looks like many people are willing to do so
Now I wonder if they would aslo shop an 'illegal'
personally I wouldnt shop an illegal or a benefit cheat since I dont believe in that attitude and the point that some claim that its their taxes I wonder what would they say about Prince Charles who gets the best housing benefit in the world
I wouldnt shop an illegal either since I dont believe that Human being can be an 'illegal' in this day and age
the bottom line is would you?
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Nope, since I wasn't the person to come up with the term illegal immigrant, nor didI define it.
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No. The govt has made it so hard for anyone to come (let alone stay) here 'legally' and is pandering to the majority RACISTS views. Like Coltrane, I don't believe anyone is 'illegal'. If they are willing to come to this God-forsaken country, then they must need to do so for a good reason. They are human beings trying to look after their own.
Have anyone noticed that all the South Africans in the media are white. This coming from a MAJORITY 'black' country?
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Just look @ their cricket team.
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If am been paid to do it, why not
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26-02-06, 03:13 PM
A begging Kosvan with child deserves to be shopped, so too an arrogant gitfrom Lebanon.
So it depends whether i like you or not i guess.
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26-02-06, 04:53 PM
working illegal immigrants are the best in the world. they work and dont claim no benefits. millions - billions of savings for the economy
from they aint doing no harm. no
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26-02-06, 08:18 PM
funny how some that said they would shop a benefit cheat because they feel what the cheat gains comes out of their pocket thru taxes but say they wouldn't shop an illegal immigrant even though many of them get free NHS and dental care ( I know this for a fact) when taxpayers here dont' get free dental care and have to pay for prescriptions.
a lot of immigrants have to resort to crime to survive. again, the cost of fighting this crime often comes out of the taxpayers pocket, we are also often the victims of it.
some illegal immigrants successfully fight deportation orders and then even tho theyve been illegal for some time they become entitled to free housing and benefits, so i wonder do people begrudge them that? or just begrudge whatever they gained from the govt illegally (treatment on the NHS, free education) before they were granted leave to remain here?
i wouldn't report anyone who was cheating benefits or in the country illegally btw. sometimes people have to do what they need to do to survive. as long as they are not harming me and mine i couldnt give a toss what people do to survive. some people are just plain badmind and cant bear to see others doing well
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funny how some that said they would shop a benefit cheat because they feel what the cheat gains comes out of their pocket thru taxes but say they wouldn't shop an illegal immigrant even though many of them get free NHS and dental care ( I know this for a fact) when taxpayers here dont' get free dental care and have to pay for prescriptions.
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Sorry but thats NOT true..many Health Authorities require the production of a passport before you can get treatment..
a lot of immigrants have to resort to crime to survive. again, the cost of fighting this crime often comes out of the taxpayers pocket, we are also often the victims of it.
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This is also NOT true, and is quite a devisive comment..many Newcomers resort to working cash in hand in dirty trades.....
some illegal immigrants successfully fight deportation orders and then even tho theyve been illegal for some time they become entitled to free housing and benefits, so i wonder do people begrudge them that? or just begrudge whatever they gained from the govt illegally (treatment on the NHS, free education) before they were granted leave to remain here?
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No Social housing and Welfare benefits means that a human being won't be starving on the street corner or worse homeless on the street..so actually no I don't mind at all..
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funny how some that said they would shop a benefit cheat because they feel what the cheat gains comes out of their pocket thru taxes but say they wouldn't shop an illegal immigrant even though many of them get free NHS and dental care ( I know this for a fact) when taxpayers here dont' get free dental care and have to pay for prescriptions.
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Sorry but thats NOT true..many Health Authorities require the production of a passport before you can get treatment..
a lot of immigrants have to resort to crime to survive. again, the cost of fighting this crime often comes out of the taxpayers pocket, we are also often the victims of it.
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This is also NOT true, and is quite a devisive comment..many Newcomers resort to working cash in hand in dirty trades.....
some illegal immigrants successfully fight deportation orders and then even tho theyve been illegal for some time they become entitled to free housing and benefits, so i wonder do people begrudge them that? or just begrudge whatever they gained from the govt illegally (treatment on the NHS, free education) before they were granted leave to remain here?
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No Social housing and Welfare benefits means that a human being won't be starving on the street corner or worse homeless on the street..so actually no I don't mind at all..
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i'm not asking you i am telling you that i personally know quite a few illegal immigrants that have been able to give false details (or use someone else's name who is entitled) and get free dental care and also been seen and treated in GP surgeries, casualty and as outpatients. i know women that get birth control pills and free condoms even though they are illegal. i even know one who had an hernia operation and another awaiting treatment for fibroids. i know of many who have gone into hospital to have babies as an illegal immigrant and been given the exact same level of care as legal taxpayers in this country get before during and after the birth. they have not been asked for passports and i'm unsure whatother proof of ID they have been asked for. i know things are getting harder now because where quite a few dentists would just let you fill in a form to receive treatment, now a lot ask for proof of benefits before they treat you for free. you can argue about that all day long i wouldnt say what i'm saying unless i knew for a fact it was true. you might find it hard to believe but i can assure these things are FACTS.
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yes i'm afraid many illegal immigrants do commit crimes to survive. i dont think they are any different to the general population in terms of committing crime after all many citizens with full rights also commit crime to make ends meet. many more immigrants than residents also work in low paid cash in hand jobs so i agree with you there. many do cleaning jobs but if they are asked for ID then they usually have to leave. many work in restaurants and the catering industry. many do those things plus others AND also commit crime. how can you be saying that immigrants dont commit crime? i'm sure they are no less likely to than any other citizen and possibly even more likely do the fact that they cannot legally claim benefits if they find themselves on hard times.
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i agree that the benefits system helps those who most need it and i certainly dont begrudge those who get it. whether they are legally entitled or whether they have to fiddle the system to get it because they are illegally here.
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i was trying to point out the inconsistencies between people prepared to shop benefit cheats but not prepared to shop illegal immigrants even though both tend to find ways of getting things from the govt that they are not strictly entitled to.
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