Do you agree that these Black Women are 'sellouts'..? - Page 3

Kunjufu · (#51 (**permalink**))

Lady Vee wrote:

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mantra..is just plain wrong...

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Please elaborate.

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I ask because this woman made millions selling products to make us look White, thus making it seem "nappy hair" is wrong.

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I don't know about her other "activities", but the above does make me question her motives. Why did she develop such a product - to make money? To make us more acceptable to White people? Or to make our hair more manageable?

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The only saving grace to her actions is the fact that maybe, just maybe, if she hadn't done it, someone else (probably White) would've done.

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With regard to some other females quoted, I have to question whether someone, Black or White, who dates/marries outside their own race, is qualified to slander their own race?

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Obviously that person has issues of their own, and I don't feel they can talk to me about issues concerning my Black man when they don't even lie down with one!

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Link to CJ walker

Lady Vee: Let me clarify from the off, I'm not a fan of how C J walker made her money......However It is a bit rich for people to condemn her for the way she made money when clearly the prevailing mood was NOT theone we all enjoy today...

Put this into context for a moment...She was born in 1867 in Racist AMERICA...and died in 1919 in RACIST America.. She was born 3 (three) years after Slavery was officially supposed to have ended in America... We know now through history that this was bollox..the Jim Crow laws and the KKK virtually relegated Africans to serfdom, one step up from slavery..

Marcus Garvey who we now look to was born in 1887.. and WEB du Bios was born in 1868... so it begs the obvious questions who were HER role models, who was she supposed to look to counter the climate of white supremacy? No internet, no TV and no BLACK caucus to inform her that whitening up was self destructive...remember now the UNIA was BEFORE her time...

So how can it be right to call her a pimp...when she made herself a millionaire in conditions many of us can't even imagine...on the fact that BLACK people wanted to look WHITE, she didn't invent the need to look white..the mood was there already...and it stayed there for many a year afterwards..as deomstrated by Malcolm X..and his need to STRAIGHTEN his hair as Detriot RED...decades later..

CJ walkerdidn't forceAfricans to buy her product, she tapped into a market that was already there... At the turn of the century what were her choices, opening her legs, serving some white family or walking streets...compared to ours comfortable choices today isn't it just a bit pious to be running her down?

How come we are not condemning the inventors of Jerri curl or all the other products invented in the late 20th century..when clearly we had the knowledge to know better... Its just way too easy to pick on this woman and belittle her capitalising on the mood ofher times..

Above is a picture of Amy Jaques Garvey...does she look like an AFRICAN..or a black woman of her period influenced by the need to look 'European'.. Does the way Amy looks deminish her good works or the fact that she struggled to keep the UNIA going after her husbands demise..should i be calling her a sell out too for not conforming to our red tinted vision of Africaness?

What about her husband is he a sell out too , because he took on the attire of the whiteman?

Come on now, at that period people thought WRONGLY that they would be equal or near Equal if they mimicked Europeans behaviours and their mores...we know now that they were wrong... but that is with 20/20 hindsight more than a century later.. Sorry but Le moor or who ever was totally out of order to use C J walker as an example..

Happiness · (#52 (**permalink**))

@ Kunjufu,

well said! clp)clp)clp)

jett Black · (#53 (**permalink**))

I Jett Black hereby declare the inaugural meeting of SELLOUTS ANONYMOUS open.

Because according to the spurious ramblings in the opening post I may indeed qualify.

If anyone cares to join me at these meetings there will be coffee and cake................until then.

COLTRANE · (#54 (**permalink**))

pur heroes and their choices:

MASTACE · (#55 (**permalink**))

I think this is a intersting topic... Le moors article, isnt a 100% factual, but ppl hav 2 admit it does raise a few intersting points.

Michelle33 · (#56 (**permalink**))

Le Moor wrote:

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GALLERY OF SELLOUT BLACK WOMEN?

IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND:
The CIA believes that one of the easiest ways to attack an
ethnic group is to launch a psychological attack on the women
of that ethnic group.

There is too much of this going on everywhere else so let's not divide the sexes here

THE RESULT OF THE SUSTAINED ANTI-BLACK MALE PROGRAM:
The results are quite telling: The fact that the intellectual heroes of
Black men are people like Malcolm X, WEB Dubois, Marcus Garvey,
C. Henrick Clarke, and John Hope Franklin- all of whom argued for unity
among Black folks and focused their energies on white oppression. Now
check out the intellectual heroes of Black women: people like Alice Walker,
Bell Hooks, Michele Wallace, and Ntozake Shange-- all of whom argue for
the "independence" of Black women and focus their energies attacking
Black men.

Now this is just wrong, why were those names (I've never even heard of half of them) picked out when there is no shortage of non-sellout black women, since we are focusing on women here?

Women DO have heroes that can be put alongside Martin, Malcolm and Marcus. We can start with Betty and Coretta, while Garvey's wife also worked alongside her husband. Then there is Mary Seacole, Nanny of the Maroons, Sojourner Truth, Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks and Angela Davis to name but a few.

What follows are just a few of the intellectual heroes of Black women.
This list turns out to be a rogue's gallery of sellouts mostly chosen FOR
Black women by government intelligence agencies working through the
white-controlled media and white-controlled publishing industry. The list
also contains some women who decided to become anti-Black male
propagandists on their own (something Mtume would call "Uncle Tomming
on Remote") Thus this list contains both types of sellout Black women:
Those who unwittingly became a part of various anti-Black male operations
launched by various white interests throughout the ages, and those
who quite consciously became a part of these operations.

I agree that sellouts (male and female) have a negative effect. I'm not going to comment on most of the women listed because they aren't my heroes. Their male equivalents (because they do exist even though I can't be bothered to dig some out) are not heroes of mine either.

I would like to comment about Halle Berry because she is always put at the top of the list by white media when it comes to the so-called top black female actresses and black female beauty.

Why is she constantly singled out by white media and put on a pedestal above all other black women? Yes, I know what the white agenda is and when they use Halle they do succeed in creating some division in their push for 'light is right'. If I was Halle I would ALWAYS wear my hair natural and wear afrocentric fashion to p*** them off. F*** the white style of straight hair, skinny jeans (think hygeine ladies) and skimpy tops.

I feel she's lost, IS controlled by white men in her career and has let herself be pimped by white men on film and in her private life (did anyone see the Hasty Pudding show??). I think that all she wanted was to be settled with a black man and MAYBE if she had found a black soulmate earlier in her career then MAYBE she would not have IMO lost her damn mind! She has obviously been surrounded by many negative influences who encouraged her in her decisions that have led her down this sorry path. I can't knock her because I don't walk in her shoes but I find it TRAGIC because she never looks happy and I don't think she is.

I think a good point was made there also about black actresses getting naked for white directors. That stinks IMO.

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Soulstarr · (#57 (**permalink**))

Michelle33 wrote:

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skinny jeans (think hygeine ladies)

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I don't get it. Whay does hygene have to do with skinny jeans? confused3

Michelle33 · (#58 (**permalink**))

Soulstarr wrote:

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Michelle33 wrote:

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skinny jeans (think hygeine ladies)

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I don't get it. Whay does hygene have to do with skinny jeans? confused3

Lol, think room to breathe. No air = breeding ground for bad bacteria.

huzzah1 · (#59 (**permalink**))

MASTACE wrote:

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I think this is a intersting topic... Le moors article, isnt a 100% factual, but ppl hav 2 admit it does raise a few intersting points.

I don't think it's an article...I was wondering why Le Moor didn't provide a link.

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But I know where it originates from...

Michelle33 · (#60 (**permalink**))

huzzah1 wrote:

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MASTACE wrote:

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I think this is a intersting topic... Le moors article, isnt a 100% factual, but ppl hav 2 admit it does raise a few intersting points.

I don't think it's an article...I was wondering why Le Moor didn't provide a link.

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But I know where it originates from...

can you let us know where it's from?

Mezmerized · (#61 (**permalink**))

A pompous attempt by useless men who feels powerless to change their predicament, so they turn to their women and blame it all on them. I have heard this kinds of arguments too many times.....even an illiterate coconut who wouldn't have a clue about where the North is can always feel confident to blame black women for his choices in partners, so this kinds of rubbish doesn't surprise me anymore. Too many cowards walking in this race....

To include Alice Walker here is just proof that too many black people don't actually READ!