Greetings all,

a while back, I used to post as Peaceful aswell as ACB. As Peaceful, I was involved in a discussion which resulted in the automatic sensoring of the N word here on BNV. Its in this same spirit that I'm here voicing my compaints at terminology used to describe other groups of people, specifically today,concerning people of dual heritage.

I've just beenreading a really interesting debate on whether or not certain women should be lablled 'sellouts',when I got to the following from SafetyBlitz:

Halle? A lot of people on here think that mixed breed people should not be considered African so should she be on the list?

Does no-one else see anything wrong with the above statement? I know life here up north is fairly rural and sheltered, and that things in the big ol smoke (not to mention the USA) evolve in mysterious ways, but since when was using the term 'mixed breed' to refer to someone of 'mixed race' considered non-offensive? I think a BNV 'mod' using a term like 'mixed breed' unchecked send out a massive contradiction against the supposed ethos of BNV. I think its bang out of order slackness that shouldn't be tolerated, any more than we tolerate N. And although I accept its probably impossible to censor for every possible combination of words which may be deemed offensive,that is sooo not my point.... if ish like this goes unchecked, it makes a mockery of BNV's standards and regs and leave the door wide open for the dogs to take over.


So... wha d you reckon?

Really sorry, i didn't mean to post this in this forum... could one of the mods move to a more appropriate place please?

Thanx

Done.

As for your complaint wouldn't it had been better to take it up with the person concerned in PM first, rather then bring it out here?

I cannot speak for Saftey of course but when I read it I did not thinkit was meant with any intentional malice.

Africaribrit: I do have some thoughts on this issue, however given that your point is reference to another MOD..out of respect for him.. I would like him to voice his views FIRST before I offer a view on this..if thats ok..

Once he has done that I will comeback to this thread ok..

Thanks for moving the thread Athaba, and for the spelling correctshun!

Yeah, I could have chosen to do that but I didn't - I don't think its necessarily the 'better' option. And I do accept that perhaps no malace was intended, but the lack of thought is glaring like dis and when held up against the non-offensive/anti-racist blah blah blah ethos its wrong. I discussed my concerns and opinions in the same way last time... and i find it hard to accept an 'i didn't mean it nastily' arguement... if someone calls me a N, I take offense - even of those who misguidedly use it as a term of endearment coz I'm saddened and angered by the ignorance thats got grip of too many people... if I were of mixed heritage/race, and someone were to call me 'mixed breed'... I'd bex up same way... especially when that person adopts a postion of power and authority as is the case with the mods here... I'm even more suspicious of powerful people are they're often capable of more damage

Why is "breed" more or less offensive than "race". Surely it's the same thing? confused3

I took you're words out of context? Are you messin? Do you want me to post the entire post from you coz it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference and my point would still be very valid?

Do research first? For what? What 'research' do you think is gonna make me think that YOU and others using unacceptable terms so casually, then brushing if off with a 'It's not really me who thinks like this, its the others' and a'Oh, my bad'? is OK?I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to evaide responsibility by citing the 'others' that think like this or not, but it seems as though you are to me... I wasn't calling 'others' for their take on life, I called YOU, a BNV mod, afor using offensive terminology, I was very specific.

A slip of the keyborad! You're not even funny. My complaint (see Athaba, I can learn!) has nothing to do with whether 'mixed race' people are or should be considered African - thats another arguement altogether - I'm specifically complaining about your 'slip of the keyboard' in which you use a term you done know to be offensive to refer to a group of people, and my point is, to me, that DOES conflict with BNVs ethos. It may have been a 'slip of the keyboard' probably combined with a momentary lapse of good sense, but ish stinks regardless of where you do it... and implying my calling you on it wassomehowpremature or innappropriate just wiffs of the same stinking ish... Would you have rather I waited till you did it a few more times?.. Or until your 500th post perhaps?... Would that have been a 'better' way to handle this?

'Out of context'... are you saying there is a context somewhere within BNV's boards in which referring to people as 'mixed breed' is considered alright?... confused3

You have to call them something! Damn people can't be objecting to every term out there... Biracial, half-caste, mixed race, mixed breed, whatever. I have mixed race cousins who call themselves all that and more. You know the difference between being offensive like "MUTT" or "mullatto" or something. Now that's offensive, you see the difference?