Are *Some* Diasporans & Mixed-Race People OVER-Zealous with African-Consciousness??? - Page 2

DtotheJ · (#26 (**permalink**))

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

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I don't think America uses theone drop rule anymore.

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It's still in effect.....however there is a growing "bi racial" movement in this country where mixed race people are seeking a new identity.....the laws outlawing mixed marriages have only been totally off the books in America for close to 40 years...before.....race mixing was the direct or indirect result of white man exploiting a black woman.......in 99% of cases....as black men would be jailed, lynched, arrested for having sex with or marrying a white woman....

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Today's outlook is based on the fact that for many people.....it's not rape or exploitation that created them..but 2 adults legally coming together......In America..in 2006....a person with black blood is still considered Black.....whether the physical appearance reflects it or not...

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Shemsi en Tehuti · (#27 (**permalink**))

People who are mixed are often termed "Black" still, but that means they have half black blood. The "one drop" rule would mean that President Dwight Eisenhower, amongst other American presidents were "black" as well (Eisenhowers mother was mixed, but light enough to pass as White). Try and sell that in America, and you will be laughed at.

Gmahogany · (#28 (**permalink**))

Thanks DtotheJ, for your comment on the one drop rule. It IS still in effect. Some whites may feel more at ease around biracial Blacks,(particularly the ones who seem to be more white in their worldview), but even at that, Whites don't consider them to be white, and if push comes to shove,(and it usually does), they are still considered Black. No one in America(Black or white)seriously considers a Black person with a white parent and a Black parent not tobe Black.

As far as diasporan Blacks being "conscious", I think we're talking about 2 things here. When I talked about racial consciousness, I meant that even the most ignorant, non militant Black person in the West, is "race conscious" in that they know they are Black, they know there is a difference between how their life plays out and how the average white person's life will play out. Blacks in the WEst are that, in a way that Blacks from majority Black places don't tend to be(until the come and live in the West for a while). It stands to reason, that among those Blacks in the WEST who go beyond that basic race consciousness that we all have,(because MR. Charlie will make sure that you have it), into a deeper,militant "AFRICAN" consciousness that they would be more zealous about it, because it's born out of real life, tangible oppresive experiences/dealings/interactions with whites. Beyond that, the permanence of "****** status" in the society has a radicalizing effect(once the change in consciousness occurs). Many Blacks from other places, see class or tribal ethnicity as the most defining thing in their lives, not race. Not so in Amerikkka. Even the most non-achieving/non educated/self hating /Black person on the corner with a bottle of liquor in their hand can school you on white folks, and racial issues here,lol.

Black Lion · (#29 (**permalink**))

Even the most non-achieving/non educated/self hating /Black person on the corner with a bottle of liquor in their hand can school you on white folks, and racial issues here,lol.

Same in the UK to an extent.

Gmahogany · (#30 (**permalink**))

And to complete my thought, even the most affluent, educated, successful Black person who is in Corporate America or CEO of their own company, can school you on white folks and racism, and no doubt has war stories about:driving while Black, being followed in department stores etc. (probably more than the person on the corner who has dropped out of society to a large degreee), that Black in Corporate America has been dealing with white folks extensively. My point is, no matter which end of the continuum you fall on in America, your experience will be the same in this regard.

Black Lion · (#31 (**permalink**))

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Exactly what I was saying in my gangster but revolutionary thread that wasn't literal but bridging the gap in thinking.

bubz · (#32 (**permalink**))

Gmahogany wrote:

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Thanks DtotheJ, for your comment on the one drop rule. It IS still in effect. Some whites may feel more at ease around biracial Blacks,(particularly the ones who seem to be more white in their worldview), but even at that, Whites don't consider them to be white, and if push comes to shove,(and it usually does), they are still considered Black. No one in America(Black or white)seriously considers a Black person with a white parent and a Black parent not tobe Black.

As far as diasporan Blacks being "conscious", I think we're talking about 2 things here. When I talked about racial consciousness, I meant that even the most ignorant, non militant Black person in the West, is "race conscious" in that they know they are Black, they know there is a difference between how their life plays out and how the average white person's life will play out. Blacks in the WEst are that, in a way that Blacks from majority Black places don't tend to be(until the come and live in the West for a while). It stands to reason, that among those Blacks in the WEST who go beyond that basic race consciousness that we all have,(because MR. Charlie will make sure that you have it), into a deeper,militant "AFRICAN" consciousness that they would be more zealous about it, because it's born out of real life, tangible oppresive experiences/dealings/interactions with whites. Beyond that, the permanence of "N****r status" in the society has a radicalizing effect(once the change in consciousness occurs). Many Blacks from other places, see class or tribal ethnicity as the most defining thing in their lives, not race. Not so in Amerikkka. Even the most non-achieving/non educated/self hating /Black person on the corner with a bottle of liquor in their hand can school you on white folks, and racial issues here,lol.

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Black Lion · (#33 (**permalink**))

It stands to reason, that among those Blacks in the WEST who go beyond that basic race consciousness that we all have,(because MR. Charlie will make sure that you have it), into a deeper,militant "AFRICAN" consciousness that they would be more zealous about it, because it's born out of real life, tangible oppresive experiences/dealings/interactions with whites.

I relate to that.

Definatly down to their attempt at brainwashing me in their private schoolswhile I lived in Vietnam (tottenham). The bstards.

Bacoo · (#34 (**permalink**))

Personally I think that anyone who has a sincere interest in building and teaching regarding African consciousness is positive regardless of their skin tone, or place of origin.

The Mighty Mos Def · (#35 (**permalink**))

Gmahogany wrote:

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Thanks DtotheJ, for your comment on the one drop rule. It IS still in effect. Some whites may feel more at ease around biracial Blacks,(particularly the ones who seem to be more white in their worldview), but even at that, Whites don't consider them to be white, and if push comes to shove,(and it usually does), they are still considered Black. No one in America(Black or white)seriously considers a Black person with a white parent and a Black parent not tobe Black.

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This is true. In fact, in American society, the only timemixed race people areacknowledged as different from African-Americans is when a mixed race person makes a grand accomplishment. When that happens, often is the case,their accomplishment(s) is/are chalked up to whatever non-African/Black blood they have asbeing the reason for their success. The difference between today and yesteryear is how many mixed race people seem to go alongwith that notion, at least publicly. Their going along with it is one of the main reasons African-American thought on raceis shifting in this regard; we can't have too many snakes in thegrass being open about their deceit beforewe root them out of the community.

As far as diasporan Blacks being "conscious", I think we're talking about 2 things here. When I talked about racial consciousness, I meant that even the most ignorant, non militant Black person in the West, is "race conscious" in that they know they are Black, they know there is a difference between how their life plays out and how the average white person's life will play out. Blacks in the WEst are that, in a way that Blacks from majority Black places don't tend to be(until the come and live in the West for a while). It stands to reason, that among those Blacks in the WEST who go beyond that basic race consciousness that we all have,(because MR. Charlie will make sure that you have it), into a deeper,militant "AFRICAN" consciousness that they would be more zealous about it, because it's born out of real life, tangible oppresive experiences/dealings/interactions with whites. Beyond that, the permanence of "N****r status" in the society has a radicalizing effect(once the change in consciousness occurs). Many Blacks from other places, see class or tribal ethnicity as the most defining thing in their lives, not race. Not so in Amerikkka. Even the most non-achieving/non educated/self hating /Black person on the corner with a bottle of liquor in their hand can school you on white folks, and racial issues here,lol.

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This pretty much sums up my feelings on why it may appear that Diasporans are more zealous in Afri/Afrocentricity than Continental born Africans. But to add to that, I feel that when someone feels that they have had something taken away from them; stolen, if you will: they're going to be more fervid in theirpursuit of theregaining of that which was stolen than someone whomay feel they weren't wronged to the same degree.

When discussing somemixed race peoples zealousness for Afri/Afrocentric knowledge it is usually different than that of Diasporans thirst for knowledge, in my opinion. Indeed, their zealousness is multi-faceted. To expand upon that point, if we are to believe the statistics, the majority of mixed race unions involve African/Black men and white women; many times the case is: the same absentee 'fatherhood' that plagues many all-African/Black unions in the West also plagues African/Black-white mixed race unions as well. That leads to children looking for some connection to their absent parent, Afri/Afrocentricity is a way for them to connect to their absent parent without literally having to connect with their absent parent. Even when the African/Black man/woman is present, sometimes he/she doesn't play a hands-on role in teaching his/her child about themselves, and they're bright enough to realize thattheir white parent can't school them on orquite grasp Afri/Afrocentricity themselves, so they seek to school themselves; hence, their overzealous appearance. Furthermore, in America, many mixed race children are shunned by their white side to the point where they develop a deep level of animosity towards whites; I suppose one could say that's a form of self-hatred,but on that pointI digress. You do have some mixed race people that genuinely believe they're fully African/Black despite their genetic makeup. And lastly,you have the group of mixed race people who are just racial opportunists and see 'blackness' as an easier path, for whatever reason, to get ahead.

Askari · (#36 (**permalink**))

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I have another friend who is from an East African country. She doesnt seem to be aware of racism hardly at all. When I am around her we get into discussions about everyday racism or things that may have happened....yet shes very quick to deny that could have a been a racial situation. I think she gives too many people the benefit of the doubt and doesnt realize all the racism that surrounds her.

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The good thing is thatshe is a friendly person..she meets alot of people had has a wide array of friends...yet sometimes i dont think she realize alot of racism she has internalize to a point where she considers it normal

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one day we were walking somehwere and this white woman was behind me..my friend pulled me out of the way so the white woman could pass around me. I mean literally pulled me..without telling me what was going on. I see this white woman walk pass me.. im thinking..the woman could have very well walk around us there was enough pavement but she would have had to step to the curve. I didnt tell me friend..but it really upset me that she did this...it made me wonder everytime a white person or a non-black person walks by her does she move out of the way for them??? confused2

What east African country is your friend from? I'm thinking maybe its a cultural trait and doesnt necessarily have to do with her feeling inferior to whites or whatever. Its a cultural thing where I am from to make way for people when walking. Its also ok to pull your friend to the side if somebody wants to walk by him and he hasnt seen that person.

I think you read too much into it. But what country is she from?