I'm sick and tired of this - Page 2

Amin · (#26 (**permalink**))

I think Drunkmonkey made a big point about us paying more attention to the thread of the old lady. Is it possible were becoming desensistised to this because it happens so often?

chi · (#27 (**permalink**))

So this is the thread people were refering to.......................

Killed because he bumped into someone.....????? Madness!........people dont even do that to dogs.......................there is no way someone can kill someone over that and say they value human life?........... I know too many people who have lost brothers over senseless rubbish.....something is wrong somewhere.....seriously.I remember even in Nigeria seeing dead bodies in the road and people acting like its just an empty sack of rice.

Why didn't anyone help him????????????

I'm not going to watch the clip though...............

Peacemaker · (#28 (**permalink**))

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I would of thought a video like that would resensitize people. But, no, I'd simply say that people don't care enough, those four men in the video certainly didn't, and from what I've witnessed other people aren't too far behind.

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Desensitized maybe, but people cry over films, pieces of fiction...but suddenly become desensitized to actual human suffering. Screwed up maybe, but not desensitized. People still donate money to charities, and the amounts donated aren't decreasing. People still submit quite willingly to marketing. Hey maybe black on black crime isn't marketed well enough, especially where it involves men.

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A black man committing a crime against ablack woman, I think they'd be a similar outcry, but when blokes are involved no one seems to care very much. I'd say that conditionis similar amongst all races, since men are reputed to be the more violent of thespecies, so when one of us cancels out another's life, then it's not that big a deal, unless emotional buzz words like racists are thown into the mix, or it's a celebritiy that has been murdered..

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When the girl in St' Anns Nottingham was shot....Outcry.

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When the two young ladies in Birmingham were shot....Outcry.

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When black attacks white or Asian attacks black, etc, etc...then the gates of Babylon are opened.

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But when men do it to each other especially of the same race, nothing....barely hits the papers, and even if itdoes it's only in small amounts.

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People have to be lead into being concerned about things, basically people need outside influence, since people are so use to being lead all their life. Charities market themselves too, if they didn't people wouldn't donate anything. It's all that emotional imagery being used to manipulate people that getsthem allworked up over some issue.

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Imagery of two men, especially black men destroying each other doesn't seem to have the same effect, if anything it gets people excited.

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Morals often are selective when a person's beliefsystem is weak, and/or wrong. Unfortunatlyproblems can't be worked upon and solved if people aren't concerned enough, it suggests a lack of desire to solve anything........until it happens to a friend or family member of course, then you're fully aware of the effects of such things.

Burning Spear · (#29 (**permalink**))

Maybe its time for Black people to take our outrage to the next level.We need to draw a line in the sand about how much we can and will take.We have become afraid of our children.

Miss Nellia · (#30 (**permalink**))

Peacemaker wrote:

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I would of thought a video like that would resensitize people. But, no, I'd simply say that people don't care enough, those four men in the video certainly didn't, and from what I've witnessed other people aren't too far behind.

Maybe it's because we know the drill, IF they get caught and I mean a big IF, what will happen to them that will appease our outrage as black people, how often have we seen the same thing, white people were getting away with lynching and hanging black men for centries with no fear of reprisal. Sick to death of it, and it's not stopping of getting any better.

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Desensitized maybe, but people cry over films, pieces of fiction...but suddenly become desensitized to actual human suffering. Screwed up maybe, but not desensitized. People still donate money to charities, and the amounts donated aren't decreasing. People still submit quite willingly to marketing. Hey maybe black on black crime isn't marketed well enough, especially where it involves men.

Surely you have noticed that hollywood is going to more and more lengths for the show factor, look at Saving private Ryan for example, they went to such lenghts to make the war scenes as close as possible to the actual events, that it was shocking and succeeded in raking it in at the box office.
As for charities, children charities still out number the amount collected than say for Relief for Africa, unless Bono or Geldof use they celebrity status to motivate people to put their hands in their pockets people won't anymore, (and still these numbers are not as great as say Live Aid in the 80's) In the eighties, the shocking images tore at the hearts of millions, now those images don't appear to have the same effect.

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A black man committing a crime against ablack woman, I think they'd be a similar outcry, agree.... but when blokes are involved no one seems to care very much. I see it everyday. I'd say that conditionis similar amongst all races, since men are reputed to be the more violent of thespecies, so when one of us cancels out another's life, then it's not that big a deal, unless emotional buzz words like racists are thown into the mix, or it's a celebritiy that has been murdered.. agree, except that men on men violence is still becoming less shoking even if it is racial, it still has the desired emotion, but people have less to say because they've said and heard all the comments before.

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When the girl in St' Anns Nottingham was shot....Outcry.

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When the two young ladies in Birmingham were shot....Outcry.

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When black attacks white or Asian attacks black, etc, etc...then the gates of Babylon are opened.

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But when men do it to each other especially of the same race, nothing....barely hits the papers, and even if itdoes it's only in small amounts.

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People have to be lead into being concerned about things, disagree to a certain extent, for example, I know what affects me emotionally, I know that no matter how many times I'm shown images a bus in Iraq being blow up with dozens killed, it won't effect me as much as the little boy that got knocked down and killed down the road from me. I didn't need to be lead into my feelings of sorrow, it is there intinctively. basically people need outside influence, since people are so use to being lead all their life. Charities market themselves too, if they didn't people wouldn't donate anything. It's all that emotional imagery being used to manipulate people that getsthem allworked up over some issue.

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Imagery of two men, especially black men destroying each other doesn't seem to have the same effect, if anything it gets people excited. It wouldn't excite me it would anger me.

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Morals often are selective when a person's beliefsystem is weak, and/or wrong. Unfortunatlyproblems can't be worked upon and solved if people aren't concerned enough, it suggests a lack of desire to solve anything........until it happens to a friend or family member of course, then you're fully aware of the effects of such things, people today are more concerned with what effects them personally, be that a family member or an incident that doesn't happen often, so when it does it gets a reaction, things that happen on a daily basis, by our very nature as human begins, will cause a desensitising effect.

Peacemaker · (#31 (**permalink**))

Ironic thing is we show an unhealthy interest in one another when walking down the street or driving by in the car...oh yes, we're always aware of one another to point where we have to check up another blackman or woman for one reason or another. Potentially apart of the problem?..

..In fact it is.

The main cause of black on black violence is the fact that we are too sensitive to each other, bordering on the paranoid. Some people need to be desensitized to a degree.

shamsher the indian lion · (#32 (**permalink**))

i was wondering y there is so much black on black crime, we don't have the same problems in the asian community

Aryek · (#33 (**permalink**))

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i was wondering y there is so much black on black crime, we don't have the same problems in the asian community

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***Rolls eyes***

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But you do have a problem with abusing as well as murdering your wives and children.

Jay Jay · (#34 (**permalink**))

Aryek wrote:

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shamsher the indian lion wrote:

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i was wondering y there is so much black on black crime, we don't have the same problems in the asian community

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***Rolls eyes***

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But you do have a problem with abusing as well as murdering your wives and children.

For real! not forgetting the crime doesn't exist mentality in the UAE(I know it's UAE differant) they say there is no crime........but they have many prisons out in nomans land in the desert? in Poplar, East London it has a majority Bengali community, they have nuff gangs who won't rob me! they go for next asian brother, and if you're from country you're f**ked!.....also honor killings...."we don't have the same problems in the asian community"

Keep telling yourself that.

@liberiangirl & Peacemaker

I think it speaks volumes that this thread doesn't get as much as a look in as the other thread with the old lady.

Another sad fact is that the other thread seems to have disappeared? this says it all and an argument to say the other thread was going stale is weak. What we have seen here is a realtime example of one of the biggest problems that faces our community, it really is a wake up call, relise it for what it is, no humble pie, no shame, just see it, recognize it and being aware of it should be enough to set a ball in motion for a better everybody.

That video, someone should've done something. Let me tell you what I would've tried to do, I would've standing from afar(and near an exit, I'm not stupid) shouted out "you won, enough, you won! I beg you"

I've done so in the past, if it ment me getting a broken jaw in the process then it's a damn sight worth it instead of seeing another killed in vain.

Le Moor · (#35 (**permalink**))

Im sorry but i rather reserve my sentiments for people who live in North London, and starving people in Soho.

I dont know what the fuss is all about not like he long to go anyway.

Jay Jay · (#36 (**permalink**))

Le Moor, He had no chance because there was 15 people just like you in the same restaurant.

@All

I swear its time for people to step forward properly, it starts right now with myself and YOU, no discrimination.

You don't need a leader or get organised or a meeting to discuss, just go about your daily life and try to help others.