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'I'd have stopped my son killing'

Tony Thomas, whose son killed schoolgirl Mary-Ann Leneghan, blames absent fathers for the rise in such violent crimes

Gaby Hinsliff , political editor
Sunday May 21, 2006
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Given that his son is behind bars for one of the most shocking murders of recent times, Tony Thomas may seem an unlikely champion for fathers' rights. But when he walked into a meeting of the divorced men's pressure group Families Need Fathers last week, Thomas entered a bigger debate about not just modern parenthood but black parenthood as well.


He believes if he had been able to be a proper father to his son, Adrian, Thomas would not have become a drug dealer now sentenced to life for his part in the torture, rape and killing of the schoolgirl Mary-Ann Leneghan. He is urging other absent fathers to persevere at forging relationships with their children, particularly those living in the inner cities.


'We're losing our kids at a rate of knots and they're ending up in crime: then everyone's blaming us and saying we weren't there when we were there all the time,' he told The Observer. 'Black dads are the most alienated from their children. The legal system is not on any dad's side, but for us black guys our women are against us too.'


Thomas, who wants to set up a black parents division within Families Need Fathers, was struck by what the footballer Thierry Henry said about his father during recent pre-match interviews.


'[Henry] hasn't forgotten his mum, but the important thing for him was his dad. We are the negotiators between the family and the outside world,' Thomas said. 'Half these young boys haven't got a clue what being a man is. Their idea is to get a knife or a gun or a baseball bat and thrash it out over stupidness. I'm really passionate about black British kids.'


His comments follow fresh concern about urban knife culture following the fatal stabbing of teenager Kiyan Prince, but also a far more sensitive debate about fatherhood. Trevor Phillips, chair of the Commission for Racial Equality, recently suggested that society shows 'scorn' for young black men who father children they never see. The BBC series Babyfathers, about young black men struggling with fatherhood, prompted anger over whether they were being stereotyped as serial abandoners of their children.


Patrick Augustus, who runs the Babyfather Alliance for young fathers, says that while negative labels are unfair, statistics show the odds are stacked against black fathers. 'As a black guy, you are more likely to go to jail for example; you are more likely to be in a mental institution; you are more likely to be homeless. So it's more difficult for you to be a father.'


Thomas, who has four grown-up children by different mothers, split from Adrian's mother when the boy was four. He admits he did not immediately seek contact. 'When I came out of that relationship, I was completely demoralised... It took me a while to build my strength back up before I could be visiting that house. That in itself caused some kind of estrangement.'


But he insists that friends kept tabs on his son for him and when Adrian got into trouble at primary school, he went to discuss it with the headmaster. He recalls the teacher looking amazed 'because she's mainly used to mums turning up to sort problems out'.


After that, he claims, he was shut out because his partner was his son's legal guardian. Although the two had contact in Adrian's teens, it was often casual meetings at friends' houses. The last time they met was in a fast food restaurant last February when he says his son was 'completely rude, completely disrespectful', and Thomas decided he had done what he could for him.


Then he heard that his son was wanted for murder - a killing, Thomas suggests, that need not have happened had he been a constant fatherly presence. 'By the time he was 10, I would have had him sorted out or I would have looked at all the help - social services, whatever. I would not be having him getting into guns and drugs.'
Adrian's mother, of course, may see it differently, but Thomas insists he never abandoned his son. 'I never had a dad, so I know what it feels like to watch your mates with their dads and feel maybe jealous. Do you think I really would have wanted my kids to have that?'


After the trial, he described his son as 'beyond saving'; they are not in contact. Could they ever be reconciled? 'I would never say it's too late, but at his age... he's really got to sit down and come to the conclusion himself.' Thomas wants other fathers to learn from his experience. 'My advice is don't give up on your children. It's an emotional rollercoaster, but keep going.'



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Post imported post - 28-05-06, 12:13 PM

I heard this person on Eddie Nestors Sunday show, to say i was speechless would be an understatement..


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So was he saying if he had been allowed to have contact he would have been a 'responsible' father to his child in those formulative years?

Did he say anything about the contact (sought or otherwise) he had with his other 3 childrenwith the other (the article didn't say how many) mothers? Man talk about helping to maintain the stereotype.

I wonder what happened to the responsibility he should have shown toward himself when he was making those relationships that resulted in children with whose mum's he didn't seem able to make a stable relationship with. Maybe I am being harsh on the man because all I know of him is the article's slant on his life. It doesn't tell the whole story after all. I will wait to hear more from those who know any more about this guy and his crusade for better fathers.

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Post imported post - 28-05-06, 12:33 PM

Backatya: this man is a friggin joke..I first heard this muppet on LBC...allowing the Racist Nick F.. to lead him up a garden path of saying he was indicative of all black fathers, and then even allowed the man to disrespect him to his face.....by calling him the father of a murdering scum....the problem was he was too stupid to even realise he was being insulted. Its amazing how idiots like this can go on WHITE stations and get a free pass.....

However I'm glad to say that Eddie tore him a new A-hole on his show, as did the intellegent listener of his show...The man basically came on chatting fart and couldn't back any of it up. Man admitted to not paying anything towards his children, virtually blamed his ex partner for the son's behaviour and then get this..engaged other people to parent by proxy, WTF!!!

Then he wonders why his son is in Prison for that type of crime, like its a bloody mystery..with a father like him, he never stood a chance!!!


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Why am I not surprised to hear that? The guy is probably trying for a spot on Big Brother (and I mean that seriously) so he can spread his waste-of-space-arse over the public airways and proclaim to everyone how he is a typical black man/father. The only thing he is typical of is the type of man who only knows how to use the brains in his pants (and that's probably debatable) and then go running like some scared rabbit when words like 'responsibility' and 'support' reach his ears.

I bet if his son had turned out to be agreat footballer who was sought after by top clubs he would be on the scene saying how he encouraged him as a kid and taught him how to work hard to achieve his goals. It's most likely that the boy turned out to be a killer because of the defective genes he inherited from his dumb-ass father.....oh I mean sperm provider.

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Yep we are definitely losing our children to the streets and u;ltimately to the system. Personally if anything happened to my children and I wasn't there to try and do something about it I'd blame myself too and probably never forgive myself. I got a friend in a half-daddy situation (part time father or father on the side) feeling just as guilty because something happened to his boy during his mothers time.

The weird thing is this boy was the perfect son in front of his dad but outside he was a completely different character. As my friend put it, he finds it so difficult to chastise his son because he never brings any disrespect to his him or his house. Fathers are needed twenty47 - In this day and age you're better off sending the mother out to work and raising the children yourself. Still, if I have to be apart from my children for any length of time then man I may have to set them up with a webcam or something!!!


I do think society is has changed for the worse. Just look at all the video films which were banned in our days but are now legal....what for, what has changed?


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Post imported post - 28-05-06, 06:26 PM

Rockette: you know, I can only imagine how upset and angry his ex partner must be, whilst it is clear she might NOt have been a model parent or partner..I don't think she derserves to have this man...carry on as if he was gods gift. The facts is he wasn't and if you'd heard him speak twice like i have you would get a sense of why things have turned out the way they have...


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Post imported post - 28-05-06, 09:32 PM

Killer's dad starts parent group


Adrian Thomas must serve 27 years in prison


A man whose son was convicted of the torture and murder of Mary Ann Leneghan wants to set up a group to help fathers get more involved with their children.


Tony Thomas's son Adrian, 20, was one of six men who, raped and tortured the 16-year-old in Reading, Berkshire. Mr Thomas, of Stockwell, said if he had a better relationship with him he would have "sorted" him out. He told BBC London he wanted to help fathers build relationships with children they no longer lived with. Mr Thomas, a father of four, said he was "gutted", "shocked" and "speechless" when he found out about his son's crimes.

When your kids are rebelling against you and they're on the street they're likely to get into things like these

Tony Thomas He is not with Adrian's mother and has three other children with three different women. He also admits that he wishes he had played a greater part in Adrian's life. Mr Thomas said he had tried to get back in touch with him but his son had so far not responded.
He said: "I didn't know until Adrian was found guilty of murder that he was on probation for heroin. "So all I needed to know was that and I'd have had him sorted.



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"When your kids are rebelling against you and they're on the street they're likely to get into things like these. "There's people out there waiting to manipulate them if you aren't there to offer them guidance."


Mr Thomas is now teaming up with the Families Need Fathers charity to encourage dads to be more involved with their children. Adrian Thomas, of Battersea, south London , was ordered to serve at least 27 years in prison.




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Waste of damn space.

I'd want to see proof that he tried to keep in contact with his son, but I know there isn't any.

I feel sorry for the mother. She's made out to be a bad Mum by this joker's rubbish. He should keep his mouth shut and get in contact with his other three kids to make sure they're not turning out the same way as their brother....
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Post imported post - 28-05-06, 09:51 PM

Here's the bit I just noticed........ he lives in Stockwell and his son lived in Battersea.. Now correct me if I'm wrong but these two locations isn't more than 5 miles apart.. in fact doesn't the 45 bus runfrom Stockwell to Battersea... So how why washe out of touch?


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Brother Tony Thomas initially tried to get publicity (and a government handout) for himself by giving an interview to the South London Press that was published on 28 April 2006 (the day that his son was due to be sentenced as the ringleader of a horrific murder and rape). Although ignored by the rest of the white supremacist media, the story was commented upon in the Blacknet Village messagboard (see: http://www.bnvillage.co.uk/forum32/21534.html).

Almost a month later, The Observer picked up the story (21 May 2006, as reposted above at the start of this thread). Presumably Thomas' handlers have hawked him around the white supremacist media in order to get more publicity for his "plight", in return for which he will presumably be given a government handout. This would explain the repeat appearances on the white supremacist media outlets mentioned such as LBC, Eddie Nestor on BBC London, and then Dotun Adebayo / Amina Taylor on BBC London later the same day (yesterday in fact).

These media give no air time to those in the community working with African youth either in supplementary education or on rites of passage programmes. They also ignore any efforts by
Pan-Africanists to educate the African community as to the roots of the flood of drugs and guns into the African community, preferring instead to mercilessly pump out hour after hour of anti-African propaganda (of which Brother Thomas is a minor, but topical example).

I predict that Brother Thomas will be passed around the white supremacist media for another week or two like some sort of crack-hungry street whore, until they get fed up with him and his weak-arsed whining. His handlers will then quietly withdraw him and he will go back wherever he came from with a small government handout and / or a place on a committee chaired by Lee Jasper or some other government agent.
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Gone quiet hasn't it?
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