Rebel-Lion wrote: Rebel-Lion - I'm playing catchup on this thread but for now, regarding the above,I will say this. The vast majority of England and English (white) people arefar far removed from black people thanyou could ever ever imagine. These people are as ignorant to the very existence of black people let aloneacquainted. As Africans in this country we need our own medium, our ownTV channel where if any message is to be delivered, we get it. You can't broadcast sh*te like this on a national/international channelandbelieve Africans aregoing to be the beneficiaries...

....as a people there was absolutely nothing to learn from this.The majority ofpeople in every race are superficial, they do not have the depth to gauge what is really going on...there's nothing to ingest or digest, they only see what is on the surface...you can't be feeding them bull like this.

When Ligali or anyone says the BBC need to stop showing stuff like this, as far as I'm concerned this is the context i interpret it.

I watched it and found mysel asking one question, what was all that about. It really had no place on national television. Recognised many of my own opinions in that teacher but just could not fathom how they manifest themself into hating black people......but maybe that's me!

Rebel-Lion - I'm playing catchup on this thread but for now, regarding the above,I will say this. The vast majority of England and English (white) people arefar far removed from black people thanyou could ever ever imagine. These people are as ignorant to the very existence of black people let aloneacquainted.

I live in a white area... Enfield.The BF across the road made eye contact for 2 seconds more than he usually does. He saw the film. The others will probably carry on crossing the road when they see me to avoid small talk or carry saying the same thing they always have.

As Africans in this country we need our own medium, our ownTV channel where if any message is to be delivered, we get it. You can't broadcast sh*te like this on a national/international channelandbelieve Africans aregoing to be the beneficiaries...

If its obvious what we need then why no action? Tired of book readings with revolutionary commentary and no inertia. People probably wouldn't even contribute to setting up a school or some other establishment yet other races come here and take off... the new EUmembers are going to mess us up if we don't get with it, travel inbetween UK and their countries, grants etc... Maybe it takes films like this to get a reaction out of people. Force a change.

The majority ofpeople in every race are superficial, they do not have the depth to gauge what is really going on...there's nothing to ingest or digest, they only see what is on the surface...you can't be feeding them bull like this.


If they don't have the depth then this film was made for them. It was painful it was that deep.Can see most people settling back into their comfort zones but if they do they should air it again and again to dislodge them... I mean really, if we stood up for ourselves enmass they couldn't do what they're doing in our homelands, if we took on a few words from the main character and sorted ourselves out there wouldn't be a problem.Can't keep pointing blame, it dosen't work keep the repirations thing going butthe BFs in oxfam take our cause more seriously than most of us. lol. The main character was fustrated at us... can relate to that one.

How tough would it be to get the approx 2million Africans living in England to pay £4 into a community investment bank? Its only £48 a year, get half of those people to sign up and thats £40,000,000 a year. Get 100,000 people to sign up and thats £4,800,000. We've been here for ages now isn't it about time something like that happened? Then we can afford our own TV stations and media outlets, buy black campaigns etc... Or is it because most are still suffering from issues outlined in the film, fustrating would be revolutionaries.People generally come out with the same stuff, ''Oh black people are too teif'' and its on both sides, Africans and Caribs. Just that Africans suffer from post colonial rather than post slavery.

Sodid thisfilm actually improve/wake up the black community in the UK? Where is the enlightenment that itwas supposed to bring to our people?

Eastenders makes everybody look bad......has done for 20 years.

And what about the news, what effect has that had on people over the years?

Honestly all this complaining about this program is making it "news", andit doesn't deserve to be by the sounds of it.

I haven't watched it, and it has had zero effect on me. How many people do you think watched it in the country? less than 2 million Ireckon, half of them have already forgotton about it.

Now I know it is easy for people to readand watch somethingthen form attitudes in their minds about certain issues and things, butin this case I think people are perpetuating something that shouldn't really be a topic. No doubt all the press coverage "further perpetuated by you the people via word of mouth" are going toget this piece of work alot ofDVD sales. People always want to know what the fuss is about it. Creating a fuss beforehand brings the bucks in. Why do you think you watched the show in the first place?

"BBC to screen most racist TV show ever" Nice title to get attention onto a film 3 months before it is even shown right?, oh look it's even got an award as well. Do you think it failed? It's been a fantastic success and guess who that is down to mainly?

Boycott the BBC? You're living in a nation that bombs countries for fun, not to mention sells stockpiles of weapons to poorer nations, further complicating matters in their areas of the world. You still pay taxes regardless of whether you work or not.

Man gets shot dead in London, people moan for abit andsay how bad it was, but nothing more really, other than a few protests maybe?.

Then a piece of fiction gets people worked up into a frenzy...now people want to boycott things.

If you want happier and uncomplicated lifes, peace of mind etc, etc. Don't watch TV at all. Simple as that.

I really shouldn't even know who Sharon Foster is.

But people are fascinated by the idiot box like it's their beating heart. So this idiot (or maybe she is quite clever, who knows?),wrote a script for you, in full knowlegde of the reaction she would recieve.



Ask yourselves this?

Why did it first get a private/test screening?

Why was the original title of the film release to the public in via the mass media before anybody had a clue about the film? "f**k Black People" Man that sure got your attention didn't it.

Now if it was originally called "Shoot the Messenger", what would you think the film was about? I personally don't think that title would of gave the film enough momentum to get the film press coverage and attentionit needed before it hit the screens, and it probablywould of passed over people like alot of things do.

Why were certain types of people invited to the private screenings?

Why did it even get an award before the public could give their view?

If something is getting critical acclaim before you hear about it then you should know what time it is.



You're being played.


Some people make Journalism the easiest job in the world.

And there is nothing easier than to write a book or a script about an issue that people would havesome "issues"with. Really it is that easy.


Attention is power in somecases and Ligali and similar kin are Sharon Fosters and the BBC's best friend right now.



Why? You don't see it. That's a major problem.



Ps

The new series of the ALi G show is on tonight, so if you're fragile of mind, and boy 99% of the people in this country are then go and watch that if you're addicted to being upset by other people actions in life outside of your own.

Sodid thisfilm actually improve/wake up the black community in the UK? Where is the enlightenment that itwas supposed to bring to our people?

Guess incog is right... we'll probably go back to sleep. Should make it a series and sell the rights to ITV.

No, it's a nuclear explosion shaped as a peace sign.

Thats a cool one I'm stuck on the other forum adding to my bad mood cause I can't post without having to log in again each time.

Would the BBC broadcast a documentary about a jewish man who hates jewish people.Would they allow him to say "i hate jewish people everything bad that has ever happened to me involved them"?Would this man be able to disrespect why some jewish peoplehave rather long noses?Furthermore would he be able to say that "the holocaust was good at least we knew what we where doing ".The answer is no even ifit was directed by the most jewish of people.This clearly would not be allowed let alone even considered.

Have you seen South Park? One of the writers is Jewish so they allow it they even had Cartman as Hitler rallying up the town to oust the Jewish community all with a twist at the end and a point made.

The bit that offended him the most was the black women with four children by four different fathers - he has four children by four different mothers! He couldn't understand why a single mother of four being in a job centre looking for a job was a shown to be a bad thing

That one was harsh, if its the scene I remember she put him back in his place, he got a slap when he went too far.Cringe wothy scene though... if its that same one, cussed him when he took the piss out of her asking if the job offered maturity leave which is a sencible question.

Meh... so maybe I've been hoodwinked and barberswon't rethinktheir good and bad haircommentary? No women cringed and thought about work the next day when they were talking about bald Korean women with no pubic hair in cages? No kids thought about checking themselvesat all?No one related to any of the characters and had a thought about anything?

Theres worse programs about other races on all the time. Harry Enfield was brilliant at cussing English people, that old Asian comedy was on at the same time cussing how they live 8 to a house and smell of curry.

We need more film makers ready to question us on that level. Spkie Lee did it in, Inside Man, healways makes points about the Black community in his films... I think some rap artists manage to do worse than Sharon foster ever could.

Is a film like Big Mommas housemore acceptable orworsethan Shoot the messenger?

Rebel-Lion wrote:
Rebel-lion - from the soul no disrespect but we on BN and those on Ligali have been arguing these sentiments for years...you don't try to make a change by stressing the things we already know....not like this anyway.Combining your comments and some made by Peacemaker - this is the point I'm trying to make,if the intention is to makea difference by continually ramming something down a peoples throat,why doesn't the BBC show a 'fictional' film about 2million Africans living in England who paid £4 into a community investment bank?....and moreover, what do you think they would do if they ever received such a script...indeed who's to say they haven't already.

If these people are so concerned about our plight, why don't they start broadcasting what we CAN do to better ourselves...and keep ramming it down our throats until we get it....and I don't mean pyramid schemes or marrying a white spouse!

...and by the way, that's £4 each not £4 between them

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I have nothing further to add.

Btw this whinge will remain,any other will be deleted.

Hmmm...up to speed and again can only remphasise my personal viewpoint.We can debate and argue the truisims and the falsims of the content til the cows come home. This film is not a wake up call,there is no new message or even a message about our internal problems being conveyed or even being brought to our attention, this is at worse acheap shot at its best a corporate hidden agenda.....from this perspective Ligali and their political agenda are way ahead of the game. Still it's a lot of effort to bloody someone's nose, we need strength in depth to getheads rolled!