Went to a Reggae spot over the weekend, and as always I saw some beautiful island people. However, thereare always several people simulating sex on the dance floor. I mean, it no longer becomes dancing to me, just go get a room or something. I like all kinds of reggae, but sometimes I just wonder what is really going on the heads of these folks.

Some of the women are more aggressive than the men. This one girl didn't think I could handle the booty, so she turns around and kicks her leg up on my shoulder and...well, you can only imagine. I was thinking, my god, all I have to do is put on some dance hall to take a girl home?...LOL.

I said to myself, none of these f**k-dance girls are wifey material, that's for sure...although some of them look it on the outsideto me. She is probably "f**king" a new guy every weekend...

Kunjufu wrote:
You have to clarify the terms you use...I'm not British or an Islander. What is "bashment"? Is that what you call dance hall music, or just the simulated sex? They were mixing all kinds of stuff, even "real reggae". All in all, it was a good time when I wasn't paying attention to fornication.

^agreed. Dancehall and Reggae=two different things.

Fortunately though, not all dancehall dances are as bad as this fad, which you're right Shemsi, is basically f**g. I went on youtube a while ago to see what dances they were doing on scene and got excited when I saw there were some dancehall queen videos.....yeeeaahh...more like soft ****, untalented (although very athletic), dancing w/girls hangin upside down w/their cooches in men's faces, bouncing on splits, head top f**k. What?!? what happened to "pon da riva" lol.

I do like some of the dances, just not the sex-simulating dances. that seems to be the going trend though in alot of black music including hip-hop. I'm kind of worried that the golden oldies of my younger days will include songs like "Lick my p***y and my crack" and the dances will be "p****y poppin'" and "hot f**k" everywhere

Shemsi - next people will be saying the slums in Jamaica are not really Jamaica...the kind of thing you'd sell to a white tourist. Put it this way, many men here ten years ago wouldn't eat a pu$$y but today they simply call it sex.

Dancehall is reggae. From roots music, to lovers rock, to steppers, ska, rock steady to jumpers..reggae music comes in many forms and slackness has always been in there somewhere..the only difference now is like everything else the degree and depth of the vulgarity is simply keeping up with modern times.


Go to a King Earthquake or Abashanti dance for a different flavour though don't be surprised to hear some of the same reggae beats just with a different vibe. Oh..and expect greys...lots of greys. Think it was Lenny Henry who said it was quite ironic going to a Burning spear concert seeing all these greys rocking to the lyrics of Do you remember the days of slavery!

King yellowman was well known for his saucy/slack lyrics but then I suppose he wasn't really black. Likewsise I'm guessing non-slack dancehall isn't reggae either:?:?

Shemsi - I remember going to a birthday party twenty five years ago. When the lovers rock came on and everybody started 'crubbing' (dancing), the mother of the house were the party was being held reeled back in horror saying that isn't dancing, it's sex. But I suppose Lovers Rock isn't reggae either:?:?

Be interesting to hear what Sean Paul, Beenie Man and the great Shabba Ranks thinks dancehall music is..especially after winning numerous reggae awards:?:?

^Incognito, I didn't mean it wasn't "reggae" in a literal sense. Of course dancehall stems from roots reggae, but like Kunjufu wisely put, it is a different fruit from Roots (which in MY opinion is more representative of its origins). That's like saying that Reggaeton is reggae (some might argue that it is).

Also, the type of dancehall that I was referring to when comparing to "reggae" (which I meant and should have said "roots" reggae) was the genre of dancehall (which also comes in different forms) that yields the dances Shemsi was talking about, which, also in my opinion is far removed from the original roots, many not even using a roots-type rhythm. Granted I'm no expert on "reggae", so I take it (as I interpret it) w/a grain of salt.

How can you confuse reggae with dance-hall? confused3

And to be honest although it gets heated theres more to it than that. Its more like a dance off...bit like going to carnival and asking why the women are dressed in skimpy outfits.

Fredblack explained it in a thread once.

Afriki wrote: Afriki - different fruit? far removed? sorry, don't buy it...but I'll bare that in mind the next time a person descended from Caribbean slaves tells me they are not African.


Agree there is different types of dancehall...dancehall lovers being one. Pinchers, Thriller U, Cocoa T - imagine telling them there music isn't reggae:?

Melissa - you missed the point love. Crubbing was seen as slack by many. I remember rubbing down one sista and all she was saying is 'where are you...I can't feel you'...ok I didn't get a hoodstand that time but I've crubbed down girls and you could almost say I was in the hole. Brothas, ever rubbed down a girl til she let of a quiver...you know you've been rubbing down that clit proper!! Who's to say what we are seeing now isn't an evolution of what was done then. Just like sucking pu$$y, todays generation are born into these things so see it as normal.

Also agree it has gone too far. Got some dancehall skinout dvd's from my friend and it's not even entertaining anymore. Girls skinning out their reds et all. But then that could be just an age thing...I'm sure todays young pups get off on it in the same way they do an R&B vid with Joe wooing some coot talking about sucking pu$$y.

I said too far...but still some way to go to catch up with America and their f**k fests. But then teens killing teens has gone too far as well....but it is what it is...a sign of the times...dancehall is as much reggae as any reggae.


Jamaican slums are notoriously ghetto....this manifests itself in many ways which even many ghettoites are ashamed of!

Check out the artists on this...some of these tunes are older than most villagers

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=31804


And don't mention dancehall fashion...decades back only sodomites donned clothing and coloured hair like that.

I agree with Incognito on this. Dancehall is reggae. Reggae is not neccesssarily dancehall though. But to distinguish the two is like splitting hairs considering that rythm tracks like "shank I shek" and many of the present less computerised "riddims" are based 90% on old reggae riddims. Do Pinchers and Half Pint and numerous other "reggae singers " not get big originally in a dancehall environment.

While I dont diasagree that classical reggae and bashment are two different animals in one sense/ in another they are the same thing. Especially when artists from both genres are dealing with "culture".And what does any selector reach for in a dancehall clash but old reggae tunes.

Yes I have to agree again been in plenty parties and dance with women "dry f***king" till your business is all pressing in her crutch and she pressing back harder. Not so popular now though...The problem is these new dances are extremely slack and are straight out of the gogo clubs. Me myself I cant take what I would term as bashment and the endless pussy and gun talk/ but put a diffrent DJ on the same rythm talking sense and its more than tolerable. I got a DVD right here with about 50 artist..from vibes cartel/bounty and later on the same bill was Freddie Magregor /John Holt/ Gyptian. The line imo is clearly blurred.