Being a 'revolutionary'

Agu Bu Oji · (#1 (**permalink**))

What does being revolutionary mean to you?

Would you consider yourself to be one or are you more of an idealist?

Would you say a pan africanist counts as being revolutionary?

Lastly: Does a revolutionary have to be selfless? Totalitarian even?

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umbrarchist · (#2 (**permalink**))

What does being revolutionary mean to you?

Advocating major change in society would qualify as revolutionary. The problems are determining objectives and effective methodologies.

Would you consider yourself to be one or are you more of an idealist?

I have had a White man accuse me of being one though I hadn't even thought of applying the word to myself. LOL

Would you say a pan africanist counts as being revolutionary?

The idea is old but apparently the methodology seems to be lacking among a significant number of African descendents.

Lastly: Does a revolutionary have to be selfless? Totalitarian even?

I suppose a revolutionary would have to be a risk taker which means there would be the possibility of losing. I think I would have to call Ghandi a revolutionary though I wouldn't consider calling him totalitarian.

I have heard plenty of Black people taliking about economics and business over the years but I have never heard anyone saying accounting should be mandatory for all Black kids in school. You see the whole idea that accounting is difficult is a bunch of bullsh!t. You don't hear Whites promoting it for all of the White kids in school. One semester of properly done accounting and one semester of economics should cover it. The economic power games played by Whites depend on most of the palefaces being ignorant.

This is what a White man called me a revolutionary about:

Economic Wargames

Accounting is for grammar school kids:

Kiddie Accounting

A lot of the time Black people seem to be more stingy with knowledge than Whites, so we sabotage ourselves. The internet presents possibilities for global mind wars like no technology ever before.

I appear to have annoyed some dude in England with my version of mind games.

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Anon is correct about depreciation and about your desperate need for formal education. Depreciation is well known to economists, especially as it is applied to transports. You may be referring to planned obsolesence but that to is Economics 101. You are extremely confused, about many things.

I have read many of your comments and you demonstrate a consistent lack of disciplined knowledge, training or experience. You try to give people the impression that you are intellectual or well read but to all of us with academic degrees you are blatantly uneducated and sadly ignorant. You may be a nice guy in real life but you are still a virtual fraud perpetrating a ego-driven hoax.

Your remarks about depreciation are completely off the mark and show you have no formal education in economics, or you have not been aboe to comprehend what you might have read or heard about it. Your remarks about Linux and Africa shows you are completely dumbfounded by the compexity of the interdisciplinary subject of technology transfer, macroeconomics, and international business. You simply do not know what you are talking about. You are painfully lame.

If you spent half as much of your time in this forum as you do daily trying to bullsh*t people as you would by studying and training at a formal institution you could attain a level of competence that would add crediblity to your remarks.

You expose yourself as a pathetic and weak person who uses the Internet and this forum as an escape from your reality that is no doubt a life long struggle with personal failures.

By no means am I suggesting to you to cease your compulsive inane commenting. What you do with your time and your computer is your business. I just want you to know that there are people who read you who know how bankrupt you are of ideas and how little you "really" know about anything.

Think before you write and be careful what you say. The people who massage your ego in the forum are people with lives as deferred and as failed as your own. There is nothing to take comfort in by impressing the impressionable. You certainly do not impress me or others who exist substantially above the minimum wage marker.

However, if your goal is to be a carnival barker selling snake oils over the Internet, or to be another forum sideshow freak, or if your goal is to graduate from clown school with an Associate Degree in Classic Buffoonery, then by all means carry on the way you have been.

Dorset

bighairlol

umbra

Tahliba · (#3 (**permalink**))

umbrarchist wrote:

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What does being revolutionary mean to you?

'Advocating (major)change in society would qualify as revolutionary.

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The problems are determining objectives and effective methodologies.

umbra'

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@ umbrachist & Apedemak (what's with the names?)

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As both Africans and the African Diaspora what do you think OUR 'objectives' should be?

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umbrachist

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How do you see learning economics in schools fits in with OUR objectives

umbrarchist · (#4 (**permalink**))

@ umbrarchist (what's with the name?)

An UMBRA is the shadow of a moon or planet where the light source is totally blocked. When you experience a total eclipse of the sun you are in the umbra of the moon. In a partial eclipse you are in the PENUMBRA.

The suffix -archist is for a person advocating a type of rule or government as in monarchist or anarchist.

So an UMBRARCHIST would be a person advocating the rule of darkness. Kind of like Black Power.

Beware of Vulcans from the Dark Side. ROFLMBAO

As both Africans and the African Diaspora what do you think OUR 'objectives' should be? How do you see learning economics in schools fits in with OUR objectives.

These are related questions. I need to make one point first.

There is no peace time in European culture. There is economic wartime and there is military wartime. What the palefaces practice I call NAZInomics.

Economics and accounting are not separate subjects. They are different perspectives on the same subject. My senior year in high school I ran across a book in the financial section of a book store. It said that every household is a business and should be run as such. That is the only book I have encountered making that statement in my life. The power games that go on among the palefaces depend on them hiding information from each other, so if we know less than they do we are screwed.

Accounting is nothing but some 700 year old 5th grade arithmetic so with today's home computers it should be child's play. Have you ever heard an economist say accounting should be mandatory in the schools?

Technology and economics have been closely intertwined for a few centuries now. It is especially obvious in the case of Black Americans though I don't hear it discussed during the Black history month charade. It was rather difficult to remove the seeds from the cotton fiber before the invention of the cotton gin. An individual could only produce 2 lbs of cotton fiber per day. With a hand cranked gin one person could produce 25 lbs. per day. A gin run by a water wheel or a horse would produce a lot more. This changed the economics of the southern states and caused MILLIONS OF ACRES to be planted with cotton. Need I point out who picked that cotton?

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it took one person  an entire day to tear one-two pounds of cotton from the clinging seeds.  African slaves developed a type of comb to speed the process,...  However, the cotton gin enabled a single worker to clean 50 pounds of  Upland cotton a day.

Table 1: U.S. Production of All Types of Raw Cotton, 1790-1860

Year  Pounds

1790   1,567,000
1795   8,359,500
1800   36,572,500
1805   73,145,000
1810   88,819,000
1815   104,493,000
1820   167,189,000
1825   266,457,500
1830   365,726,000
1835   530,355,500
1840   673,116,000
1845   902,111,500
1850  1,066,925,500
1855  1,608,708,500
1860  1,918,701,000

http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/hist..._es_cotton.htm

The production started climbing right after the introduction og the cotton gin in 1793. So the technology changed the supply and demand curves and undoubtedly affected the price of land.

But today people have to manage credit cards. Make decisions about buying new or used cars. Buy a house or rent an apartment, etc. etc. Does it make sense to not know about accounting and economics especially if it isn't as difficult as the palefaces say. We just need to share good info instead of listening to them.

If all Black Americans concentrated on NET WORTH instead of consumption, what would be the effect in 10 years? But there is this social pressure to conform problem. Who controls the media to influence mass thinking? Who profits from the consumption? Who runs on the treadmill?

It was curious how I didn't get much response to this:
GlobaLIES

http://www.bsu.edu/news/article/0,13...-11714,00.html

umbra

Agu Bu Oji · (#5 (**permalink**))

Advocating (major)change in society would qualify as revolutionary.

But is the Pan-Africanist glossing over cultrual and trade links that are, for the most part, already forged so not counting as being 'revolutionary' at all? The President of Venesuala for example is forging trade links between South American states, the Caribbean and Africa.

Does that make him a, ''Pan-Africanist''?

When we've sorted ourselves out and are happy supporting each other (as is already happening) would we still reffer to ourselves as practicing Pan-Africanism? There is no 'Pan-Europa' there is no 'Pan-China'. There are the Europeans and the Chinese, The E.U and what ever the Chinese want to call their formation of China including (sadly) Tibet, so in the same sence there should only be the A.U. From there stems the understanding that as ''revolutionaries'' the Pan-Africanist and other African revolutionarieshave to be totalitarian in regards to the fact that we are, as the dark Vulcan says, under bothmilitary and economic attack. Whats the point in trading with one another when your central industries have been taken over?

So... what is an African Revolutionary and as you asked, what arethe;determining objectives and effective methodologies behind being a Black African Revolutionary today?

At the moment its as though we're in a no mans land, scattered. There are so many books, some written by opportunists, that seem tocontradict each other in regards to current affairs. In loosing what urgency we had in the 60s/70s throughout the world we seem to have let slip what it means to be revolutionary (to the detriment of the children) and have ended up with diffrent understandings as to what is happening exactly and what needs to be done as our dynamics are diffrent from state to state. It seemsas thoughpeople are left speculating as to what politrickkks are effecting us in the Caribfor example, the Queen is head of state... what power does it have over us and why etc etc...

The South Americans have clocked it almost completely if they hadn't fallen into classism in some/most places they'd be untouchable. They're smart enough to keep it simple and know what is happening exactly, what company is investing in what and where along withwhat it means and so on. They've long caught onto what Umbra is saying andhave an understanding of economic and political affairs well enough to be able to unite on issues and stave off investors with uprisings when need be.

I'm talking; http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13131.htm

If we're to join up the dots we need to share a commonground onexactly what it means to be an African Revolutionary, its the first hurdle surely?

umbrarchist · (#6 (**permalink**))

Black Men, Obsolete, Single, Dangerous?
The Afrikan American Family in Transition
Haki R. Madhubuti (Author)

Here is the seminal and critical work that helped solidify Haki Madhubuti as an informed, passionate, and caring commentator on Black life, culture, relationships, and the development and stability of the Black community. In Black Men, an integral text for anyone with vested interest in building healthy, thriving Black families and communities, Madhubuti takes aim at some of the critical issues facing the African American family. He offers useful, pointed, practical solutions for overcoming these obstacles and challenges.

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I found this worthwhile but I have a couple of problems with his reading list.

My Commentary

umbra

Tahliba · (#7 (**permalink**))

umbrarchistwrote:

"...It said that every household is a business and should be run as such. That is the only book I have encountered making that statement in my life..."

Feminst having been using this argument for more than 100yrs. I actually use it when applying for certain types of jobs.

As for the rest of your response...It still doesn't answer the question What do you think OUR 'objectives' should be?

And how does your argument about 'accountancy/economics' being taught in schools fit in with these objecties?

Which begs another question for you, Do you believe the purpose of state education is to educate?

Tahliba · (#8 (**permalink**))

Apedemak wrote:

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Advocating (major)change in society would qualify as revolutionary.

But is the Pan-Africanist glossing over cultrual and trade links that are, for the most part, already forged so not counting as being 'revolutionary' at all? The President of Venesuala for example is forging trade links between South American states, the Caribbean and Africa.

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Not really sure what point you are making here? Not sure would describe him as Revolutionary but then again given the current/previous trade links/system an attempt to change this could be classified as revolutionary.

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Does that make him a, ''Pan-Africanist''?

When we've sorted ourselves out and are happy supporting each other (as is already happening) would we still reffer to ourselves as practicing Pan-Africanism? There is no 'Pan-Europa' there is no 'Pan-China'. There are the Europeans and the Chinese, The E.U and what ever the Chinese want to call their formation of China including (sadly) Tibet, so in the same sence there should only be the A.U. From there stems the understanding that as ''revolutionaries'' the Pan-Africanist and other African revolutionarieshave to be totalitarian in regards to the fact that we are, as the dark Vulcan says, under bothmilitary and economic attack. Whats the point in trading with one another when your central industries have been taken over?

So... what is an African Revolutionary and as you asked, what arethe;determining objectives and effective methodologies behind being a Black African Revolutionary today?

No I asked what OUR objectives should be...

At the moment its as though we're in a no mans land, scattered. There are so many books, some written by opportunists, that seem tocontradict each other in regards to current affairs.

Would have to disagree on the above. In terms of current affairs there is generally two approaches...Those that defend the system and those opposing it...But then I don't read nearly as much as I used to(particularly around 'current affairs') so maybe you could give examples of contradictions.

In loosing what urgency we had in the 60s/70s throughout the world we seem to have let slip what it means to be revolutionary (to the detriment of the children) and have ended up with diffrent understandings as to what is happening exactly and what needs to be done as our dynamics are diffrent from state to state.

What would you say OUR'urgency was in the 60-70's? What does it mean to be 'revolutionary'...Then and now?

It seemsas thoughpeople are left speculating as to what politrickkks are effecting us in the Caribfor example, the Queen is head of state... what power does it have over us and why etc etc...

The South Americans have clocked it almost completely if they hadn't fallen into classism in some/most places they'd be untouchable.

Can you explain what you mean by the above? What did the Americans 'clock'? And how would they have been 'untouchable' and to who?

They're smart enough to keep it simple and know what is happening exactly, what company is investing in what and where along withwhat it means and so on. They've long caught onto what Umbra is saying andhave an understanding of economic and political affairs well enough to be able to unite on issues and stave off investors with uprisings when need be.

How does the above statement relate to a revolution? To OUR revolutionary objectives?

I'm talking; http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13131.htm

If we're to join up the dots we need to share a commonground onexactly what it means to be an African Revolutionary, its the first hurdle surely?

What dots aredo we need to join?

Surely, our first hurdle would be defining what are objectives are? Whatit is we want to achieve and how we will go about achievingOUR objectives.

umbrarchist · (#9 (**permalink**))

Feminst having been using this argument for more than 100yrs. I actually use it when applying for certain types of jobs.

And what are these feminists saying about the fashion industry? The fashion industry is nothing but the planned obsolescence of clothing. How many of them have clothes hanging in a closet that is in perfect condition that they won't wear because it is out of style? Isn't that called depreciation?

As for the rest of your response...It still doesn't answer the question What do you think OUR 'objectives' should be?

The objective is WEALTH. In accounting terms that is NET WORTH. In the US a major objective would be controlling land so as to not have to pay rent to the palefaces. Then money saved on housing could be diverted to other purposes. But it means every household understanding accounting not TRUSTING some leader.

And how does your argument about 'accountancy/economics' being taught in schools fit in with these objecties?

See above.

Which begs another question for you, Do you believe the purpose of state education is to educate?

The current state for the diaspora is run by the palefaces. The only reason I trust White people to tell me the time of day is because it is so easy to check. Like I said they don't make accounting mandatory for the White kids. Their power structure depends on most White people being ignorant losers.

Their primary objective of so called education is psychological conditioning to be subservient to authority. Is getting straight A's in English Literature being educated? I am sure most high school English teachers in the US did not take 4 years of math when they were in high school. Why should a kid getting straight A's in math give a damn about A's in English? The system is designed to produce people that follow orders even if the orders are stupid. Of course those that don't make the grade end up at the bottom of society. The English class structure is maintained. The lower classes are brainwashed into believing they deserve what they get.

umbra

Tahliba · (#10 (**permalink**))

So for you OUR revolutionary objective is to achieve wealth.

And OUR collective method for doing this would be by educating ourselves on accountancy and economics.

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When I use the term OUR I mean both Africans at home and the diaspora.