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Selfish Brits, Generous yanks - 27-06-07, 03:30 AM

The Big Question: Why do wealthy Americans donate so much to charity and rich Britons so little?
By Andy McSmith
Published: 27 June 2007
Why are we asking this now?

The Americans, it seems, are privately more generous in giving than we are. New figures show that, last year, the US set a record for largesse, giving away the equivalent of almost the entire gross domestic product of Greece in private charitable donations that was an increase even on the bonanza of 2005, when America was moved by the plight of the victims of the Asian tsunami, the Pakistan earthquake, and Hurricane Katrina. In 2006, Americans dug into pockets and handed over 1.7 per cent of their country's economy, according to the report published yesterday by the Giving USA Foundation. In the same year, Britons gave away 0.73 per cent of the British economy, proportionately less than half as much.

Are the same groups generous in the US and the UK?

Some Americans are more generous than others, obviously. Generally, regular church-goers give away more than the irreligious. But in the USA, there is no great difference across the social classes. Over there, the super-rich and the working poor give away roughly the same proportion of their income. In the UK, the difference between the social classes is striking. One might say it is scandalous. Here, the poorest fifth give away three per cent of their income to charity. The richest fifth give away one per cent. In other words, it seems rich Americans take pride in giving their money away, while rich Britons apparently feel no shame in holding on to what they have got.

How generous are the British?

After the massive response to the tsunami appeal early in 2005, British charities - like their American counterparts - assumed that they would see overall donations go down in the ensuing 12 months. Like the Americans, they were proved wrong. The British gave £8.9bn to charity in 2005-06, the latest year for which figures are available. The survey, by the Charities Aid Foundation, produced the encouraging statistic that the under-35s are giving more than ever to charity, though the most-generous age group is the 35- to 44-year-olds.

It also showed that the richer a person is in Britain, the more likely he or she is to give something to charity. But that is not to say that the rich give more generously, just that more of them do some giving. A previous study based on the Family Expenditure Survey showed that the poorest 10 per cent of British households give 3 per cent of their annual income to charity, which means that proportionately, they were more than three times as generous as those in the top 10 per cent. In 2005-06, the overall average across the country was 1.2 per cent, but people in the top 20 per cent - those on £26,000 a year or more - gave only 0.8 per cent.

Not only do the rich give comparatively less, but they also choose different causes on which to bestow their generosity. Charities that look after children, the environment or the arts have a better chance of attracting rich donors; people at the bottom of the income scale prefer to give to charities that care for the elderly, or for animals, or to medical research, particularly cancer research. Overseas aid is perhaps the one cause that attracts all social classes equally.

What makes US billionaires so generous?

Part of the reason for the apparent generosity of the American super-rich is cultural. While the English aristocracy respected inherited wealth, the Americans revered heroes of industry like Andrew Carnegie, who said that "the man who dies rich dies disgraced". He was a hand-loom weaver's son from Dunfermline, who emigrated to the USA, became the world's second richest man and gave away the whole of his fortune, equivalent to billions of pounds in today's currency.

The two richest businessmen in the USA, Bill Gates and the investor Warren Buffet, are following in the Carnegie tradition.. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, set up in 2000, is by a long way the world's biggest charitable trust, and in 2006 it attracted the biggest single charitable donation in history, of around £20bn, from Mr Buffet. But if other rich Americans - like Mr Gates's partner, Paul Allen - choose to be much less generous, that is their affair.

How does this compare with US state aid?

While Americans expect their billionaires to be generous, they do not expect the same of the US government. In 2002-03, the year when it launched the "war on terror", the US government spent just 0.13 per cent of its GDP on overseas aid, the lowest proportion by any of the 23 richest nations in the world - and much of that was directed to countries that were strategically important, though not necessarily poor, including Egypt, Israel, Russia and Serbia.

The American tax system encourages the idea that charitable giving is something that individuals should do, not the state. Many rich Americans take out "Lifetime Legacies", which allow them to set aside a proportion of their wealth by making an "irrevocable" promise that it will be donated to charity after their death. They can continue using the gift, or living off the income it generates, while offsetting it against tax. This particular tax break is not available in the UK.

Why are there so few British philanthropists?

British businesses have produced some examples of people who have made a lot of money and given it away. The Sainsbury family is famously generous. In 1904, the chocolate maker Joseph Rowntree gave about half of his fortune to four charitable trusts that are still major players in the voluntary sector. The world's second biggest charitable trust, after the Gates Foundation, is the Wellcome Trust, founded in the UK in the 1930s when the pharmaceutical magnate, Henry Wellcome, left his entire fortune to charity. It gives away about £400m a year to research projects. However, Henry Wellcome is perhaps the exception that proves the rule: he was an American, who was well into his fifties when he took British citizenship. The late Robert Maxwell, another immigrant, also promised to give away his whole fortune when he retired, but turned out to be a fraud with nothing to give.

So where does class come in?

It may be that the relative miserliness of Britain's rich is cultural in origin. Britons still show respect for those who inherit a great deal of money, from the Queen downwards, which is not necessarily extended to those who make money by their own efforts. The Tory diarist Alan Clark recorded how one wealthy Tory MP contemptuously dismissed Michael Heseltine as a man who "bought his own furniture". In Britain, therefore, it is respectable to keep your money in the family.

This attitude was vigorously challenged in the 19th century by self-made Victorian philanthropists like Rowntree. But they were themselves challenged by socialists and by the trade unions, who noted that private charity is likely to be governed by private emotions rather than hard-headed decisions about where help is needed most. The British, for instance, loved to give to animal charities; there was an RSPCA before there was any equivalent charity to prevent cruelty to children.

Despite the huge success of the various Live Aid concerts, campaigners like Bob Geldof and Bono, left, have discovered that government action can be more effective than private charity, particularly when there is a Labour government committed to increasing overseas aid. In 2002, for the first time, the voluntary sector in the UK received more money from the government than from voluntary contributions. But of course, the money that the Labour government gives away comes from wage-earners and salary-earners. The very rich not only do not give to charity: they do not pay tax like the rest of us either.


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27-06-07, 10:50 AM

Diffent mentality, America is a land mass, Brition/England is an island.
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27-06-07, 11:56 AM

We're not talking absolute amounts. That sort of comparison would obviously be silly but even in percentages and fractions, Britain measures up poorly in the giving stakes. Something to think about.


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27-06-07, 01:31 PM

I read somewhere once that America takes ten times more from Africa than it donates in charity or aid. Don't know about the figures in England. Maybe the Americans understand that their wealth wasn't totally developed through meritocracy and that luck of birth helped them out and some of them want to give a little back?

I also think culture is a factor, being flashy with wealth is something that is relatively new here in the UK with the arrival of people such as Posh & Becks, whilst in America I suppose it shows you've made it if you can afford to spend lots of it and give lots a away.
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I read somewhere once that America takes ten times more from Africa than it donates in charity or aid.
Theres that as well, its the same with all the developed nations. Not sure about ten times but to be the cause of a problem and to give generously ''resolving'' leaves you questioning where the money is going exactly. That and the Asians and others have repeatedly said that not all problems can be solved with the giving of money, its resources they need. Infrastructure. Self sustainability. Something not so readily given.

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We're not talking absolute amounts. That sort of comparison would obviously be silly but even in percentages and fractions, Britain measures up poorly in the giving stakes
.lol. Not that.

The British as islanders have a totally diffrent mentality to people from a land mass such as America. People from a continent/land mass can be see things as being affordable so people are more generous. Being from an island makes for a more selfish, conniving, inward people as a matter of survival. The land (and weather) shapes a peoples mentality especially in regards to resources where the Americas have plenty of forests and commodities, enough for them to look after themselves the same can't be said for Britian where imports are important (what a pun!). Theres a certain security in being from a land of milk and honey away from the rest of the world. Less prone to attack, slight detachment in regards to issues that may effect inland countries such as europe/asia.
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27-06-07, 01:56 PM

This is strictly about individuals as giving entities. Not governments.

All western governments take back and extract more in payments and low cost goods than they invest in "aid" but that's not the point. These decisions are for governments and corporations.

This article is saying that the average american is more likely than the average brit to give and give a larger portion of their wealth. In addition that wealthy americans give far more and more frequently than wealthy brits. Irrespective of what governments decide to do with money on peoples behalfs, this should be looked into as it's obviously descriptive of a culture of stingyness and selfishness that pervades British people on an individual level.


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Historically, Americans have been and are citizens; Brits have been and are still mainly subjects. Big difference in mentality, it seems to me, and one that would at least partly explain the difference.


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Interesting article.I think the reasons are varied.But in many upper classes circles there is competition on the amount of charitable gifts one donates.So if if you gave the most to say the NYC Ballet that would get the most ink in the newspaers.


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Commitment to foriegn Aid shows that America falls short of a lot of western countries.

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This is strictly about individuals as giving entities.
.lol. Misread me again, thats what I'm talking about, individuals. An island mentality matched with a typical 'everyone speaks my language but not half as well as I do, forget learning your inferior language' type arrogance.

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Historically, Americans have been and are citizens; Brits have been and are still mainly subjects. Big difference in mentality, it seems to me, and one that would at least partly explain the difference.
Theres that as well. lol. Don't feel like a subject thank god but that'd be another reason the (real) British, not so much us immigrants are so uptight in general. Heck, we don't own jack.in this country...



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Commitment to foriegn Aid shows that America falls short of a lot of western countries.

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Again... that's government Aid whereas the issue of this topic is individual citizens and personal mentality.


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I've always realised Americans were more generous not only that they're more sincere too. It must be about history & culture. There's no getting away from it. English are historically well known for their standoffishness and their 'stiff upper lip', 'mustn't show any emotion that's not British' mentality.
Thus one cannot be seen to be caring too much can one.


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28-06-07, 02:38 AM

I cant explain it, maybe its the value we place on the pound. That monetary unit is too strong and parting with it is usually painful.

My cousins back home in Africa always say, the Africans in America are usually more generous when they visit home than their british counterparts. And this is true to a large extent. This might also be what is at play on a larger level.

I attribute it to how hard it is to save a good % of your earnings in the UK compared to the US.
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Okay here's one.... how many people in the UK leave tips for public service assistants?




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I ain't leaving no bloodclaat tip. If the meal on the menu says £13.99, I is paying £13.99!

Anyway this country teefs so much from the general public its no wonder hardly anyone has anything to give. I don't think it's always a case of short arms and deep pockets.


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28-06-07, 12:28 PM

Do public service assistants,(or waiters and waitresses as we call them), make a decent hourly wage? Here they make a nominal amount per hour, like $2, they essentially live off tips(God Bless em, I couldn't do it). I tip according to the service. If the service is decent I tip well, if it's so so, I tip so so, if it sucks, I won't tip at all.
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Couldn't the difference be just the fact that the US is richer and has a higher disposable income ?
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Look at the difference between PH answer and Gmahogany answer lol. PH (who thinks like me) pays what the sign says while Gmahogany thinks about the person. For me there are many people doing minimum wage jobs and not all get to be in a position to recieve tips (who tips the office cleaner or school dinner lady?) so why should somebody doing their job get a tip?
This reminds me of resovoir dogs and Mr Pink lol

But about disposable income I've not heard it said that the US citizen has MORE than the UK one before. I actually think it's the other way around. Americans pay for everything we don't like health, education etc... so I can't see how, given their currency is worth half of ours, that they would have MORE disposable income for the average citizen.

Face it, us people on this itsy bitsy island got short arms and deep pockets


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Commitment to foriegn Aid shows that America falls short of a lot of western countries.

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Geoff you are wrong. This is some text from your own post ; read your sources before you try to make an argument:

On avarage, the US government givers $17 to $19 Billion in aid per year (nearly twice any other nation), but this looks statistically low because it is less than the .7 percent of GDP that was agreed upon by the UN.

The American people average $35 Billion per year for charitable aid. This is not counting a whole bunch of programs within the US for foreign nationals that could be argued to be more beneficial to the US than a foreign entity and therefore, not really "aid".
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This comparison provides no information of value in regards to who provides significant foreign aid. For instance, the only reason Denmark can provide so much foreign aid relative to it's military expenses is because it has virtually no military expenses thanks to the significant NATO countries like the UK and the US who provide virtually all military defense for Denmark.

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Look at the difference between PH answer and Gmahogany answer lol. PH (who thinks like me) pays what the sign says while Gmahogany thinks about the person. For me there are many people doing minimum wage jobs and not all get to be in a position to recieve tips (who tips the office cleaner or school dinner lady?) so why should somebody doing their job get a tip?
This reminds me of resovoir dogs and Mr Pink lol

But about disposable income I've not heard it said that the US citizen has MORE than the UK one before. I actually think it's the other way around. Americans pay for everything we don't like health, education etc... so I can't see how, given their currency is worth half of ours, that they would have MORE disposable income for the average citizen.

Face it, us people on this itsy bitsy island got short arms and deep pockets
Partially true, the US government spends much more on health care and public educaton then any other nation including that of 30M illegal immigants who pay no taxes. If I have no private health insurance,and am not a veteran, under the pverty level, or over 65, its still illegal to deny me needed medical care. AS for schooling all states in the US has free public education. In GA for example all A level HS students get free University Educaton. The USD is about 54% of the GBP but there are more of them. The US has a much larger overall economy.
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I tip based on the service as well as how much I am paying for the meal.

As far as giving...... I give a lot as well, but some of the "giving" here is for tax purposes more than my love of organizations. Watcher, that plays a big part in a lot of donations to charities here. Even companies claim donations here to causes for the tax write off.
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[quote=The Watcher;1422589]@ Geoff
Look at the difference between PH answer and Gmahogany answer lol. PH (who thinks like me) pays what the sign says while Gmahogany thinks about the person. For me there are many people doing minimum wage jobs and not all get to be in a position to recieve tips (who tips the office cleaner or school dinner lady?) so why should somebody doing their job get a tip?
This reminds me of resovoir dogs and Mr Pink lol

Actually, waiters and waitresses here don't even make minimum wage. The current minimum wage here is $6.15 I think, in most states, maybe $7.00 in a few(which isn't enough to live on either, but better than $2.00 an hour). They typically make 1/2 to 1/3 of that, and in some instances have to split THAT with the busboy(people who clear the tables), and other staff. That's why I said they literally live off of their tips.Because they have the potential to make "tips", their employers don't have to pay them minimum wage like they would be required by law to pay an office cleaner, or pretty much any other job. MOst folks here are aware of that, and will take it into cosideration, along with the level of service received. Good waiters/waitresses can make a pretty good living, with tips here, the not so good ones usually won't stay in it for long, cause they'll starve,lol.
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