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Default The UK in 50 Years... - 06-07-07, 05:46 PM

Imagine the UK in the year 2057.

What things do you think will have changed? What will have remained the same? Will community/social relations have improved or become worse? Will the British economy still be strong - or will countries like India and China come to dominate over the West?

And finally, will Islamic moderates have prevailed - or will the UK witness the emergence of more extreme Islam?

Of course, it's only speculation - but it's still interesting to hear your predictions.





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Different job, different car, different house but the same lifestyle. Last one to leave turn out the lights!
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I probably won't be around to see it, but I'd guess that the UK as we know it today will no longer exist as a nation state, for one reason or another. Political upheaval (perhaps at European level) or environmental catastrophe would be my favourites.

If we still have a planet to live on, I'm not sure it's a place I'd wanna be.


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Imagine the UK in the year 2057.

What things do you think will have changed? What will have remained the same? Will community/social relations have improved or become worse? Will the British economy still be strong - or will countries like India and China come to dominate over the West?

And finally, will Islamic moderates have prevailed - or will the UK witness the emergence of more extreme Islam?

Of course, it's only speculation - but it's still interesting to hear your predictions.

I wouldn't like to guess. On a plus point I'll be too dead to see it.

It will probably be some sort Orwellian nightmare if people's behaviour doesn't improve.
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Default 06-07-07, 09:52 PM

I definitely wouldn't be in the UK by then neither will my progeny (god willing), but if things continue at this rate then I'm sure this country will probably be like 28 Weeks Later.


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I definitely wouldn't be in the UK by then neither will my progeny (god willing), but if things continue at this rate then I'm sure this country will probably be like 28 Weeks Later.
God! I usually consider myself to be a cynical person... but judging by the responses to this thread, I think I'm more of an optimist than most.

Seriously, I don't think the future will be that bleak. The human race has survived untold adversity in the past - I'm sure we'll cope with global warming (there will be some casualties of course e.g half of Bangladesh will be under water in a couple of generations).

But (assuming we aren't all annihilated in a nuclear holocaust) I think there are many things we can look forward to in future Britian. For example, we'll be healthier, live longer, have more technological gadgets than ever before, and be able to travel around the world at our leisure.


When I think about possible future catastrophies though, I don't see global warming being as much of a threat as the clash of religions and ideologies.

Perhaps it isn't very PC to say this, but I am genuinly concerned that radical Islam may gain more of a foothold not just in the UK and Europe - but in West African countries like Nigeria (where violence in the name of religion has been on the increase for a number of years already).

Are we heading towards a "clash of civilizations?"
The real test of community relations will come when there is a major economic downturn or a major event e.g terrorist attack, assassination.

These issues more than any others, threaten to de-rail the future of the UK.

(Let us not forget that much of the UK's wealth stems from the blood and sweat of our ancestors - so we all have a vested interest in her future).





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God! I usually consider myself to be a cynical person... but judging by the responses to this thread, I think I'm more of an optimist than most.

Seriously, I don't think the future will be that bleak. The human race has survived untold adversity in the past - I'm sure we'll cope with global warming (there will be some casualties of course e.g half of Bangladesh will be under water in a couple of generations).

But (assuming we aren't all annihilated in a nuclear holocaust) I think there are many things we can look forward to in future Britian. For example, we'll be healthier, live longer, have more technological gadgets than ever before, and be able to travel around the world at our leisure.


When I think about possible future catastrophies though, I don't see global warming being as much of a threat as the clash of religions and ideologies.

Perhaps it isn't very PC to say this, but I am genuinly concerned that radical Islam may gain more of a foothold not just in the UK and Europe - but in West African countries like Nigeria (where violence in the name of religion has been on the increase for a number of years already).

Are we heading towards a "clash of civilizations?"
The real test of community relations will come when there is a major economic downturn or a major event e.g terrorist attack, assassination.

These issues more than any others, threaten to de-rail the future of the UK.

(Let us not forget that much of the UK's wealth stems from the blood and sweat of our ancestors - so we all have a vested interest in her future).
And you think the UK will escape the consequences of global warming? You might want to consider that a two degree shift either way in the temperature of the North Atlantic currents - which largely regulate the climate here - would bring about major changes in the weather - either increased heat or increased cold. We alll know how this country copes with both at the moment - and the scenario is closer than you might think.....

And whilst technology may well bring benefits in terms of healthcare and gadgetry, it's alll gotta be paid for. We already have healthcare rationing for certain drugs - do you really think all of the new improved treatments will all be automatically available free at the point of need? Or maybe the pharmaceutical companies will develop an altruistic streak they have yet to find......Especially when we have a declining birth rate and an ageing population, which means fewer people will be working to support a growing proportion in old age?


It's not a question of optimism or otherwise - it's more that the economic system that governs how much of the world works is unsustainable, and that the consequences are certain to unravel in one way or another within the next fifty years. Greater prosperity is fine if you are one of the prosperous, but that is increasingly the minority.

Unless something happens to radically redistribute wealth and resources, both in the UK and worldwide, there will be an almighty crash, which will not be pleasant. Regardless of what 'Islam' does or doesn't do.


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Unless something happens to radically redistribute wealth and resources, both in the UK and worldwide, there will be an almighty crash, which will not be pleasant. Regardless of what 'Islam' does or doesn't do.
I agree with much of what you have said. There is an old saying that "A pessimist is merely an informed optimist". Perhaps that is appropriate in this discussion.

However, I believe it to be a mistake to dismiss the religious aspect of potential future conflicts. It is true that Western birthrates are in a death spiral (Germany's current birthrate of 1.4 children per woman, will have MASSIVE consequences in the coming decades).
BBC NEWS | World | Europe | The EU's baby blues

Yet, the birthrates for Muslim women in Europe are much higher - especially first generation immigrants. Combined with unprecedented immigration levels, this means that future Europe (and indeed, the UK) will have mainstream religious forces in direct competition with eachother i.e Christianity being replaced by Islam.

This is extremely dangerous.
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As I said before, it is possible of course that Islam will undergo a process of modernisation and become more moderate/liberal over the coming years. We know that the vast majority of Muslims in the West are not "blood thirsty terrorists" but ordinary people living out their lives. If they can be integrated into mainstream society... well, the future may not be so bad. The problem is that in its history which stretches back many hundreds of years, Islam has never been modernised.

If Europe cannot absorb Islam, then Islam will absorb Europe.

It's difficult to predict but I can honestly see a Bosnia/Yugolslavia situation developing in Europe.

Moderate Islam must previal for all our sakes. In the coming years, battle hardened jihadists will return from Iraq and Afghanistan with combat and explosives experience. I believe they are going to create a storm in Europe.





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Default In Fifty years time... - 07-07-07, 04:23 PM

With the influx of Eastern Europeans from new EU states, the birth rate of the asians, and so called mixed race people.. I think that the idealogy and culture of the Windrush generation will be all but washed out...

I also predict that People of African Carribean descent will be almost extinct in the UK...


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According to the "experts" the pensioners will critically out number the younger tax paying generation, hence all of these further education, entrepreneurial schemes being driven in schools now, to force the younger generation to think in terms higher educ and business ownership so that they pay high taxes when they reach adulthood, on order to support our old asses , it's the reason why we are being told that basic pension schemes we are in now is NOT enough. We're also encouraged to have more babies, as the average woman today is either putting that off till later or fore going that option complete, so in 50 years times when we will be collecting our pensions we are going to have a resentful tax paying generation resenting our old asses. Where will this leave black people? At the bottom of the list of priorities.


But for me in 50 years time I will be reading all about what is happening in the UK in my local newspaper on the beach some where in Africa or the Caribbean, sipping on my cocktail and soaking up the sun, oops sorry I forgot, the sun will be a weapon of mass destruction by then.

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But for me in 50 years time I will be reading all about what is happening in the UK in my local newspaper on the beach some where in Africa or the Caribbean, sipping on my cocktail and soaking up the sun, oops sorry I forgot, the sun will be a weapon of mass destruction by then.

You'd better remember to wear a good sun hat...

If global warming trends are anything to go by, in 50 years time, places near the equator will have "comical" temperatures.





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Africom is in full swing as the west needs to find new ways of stemming growth in developing nations in light of having to 'go green'.

The ruling elite become more and more paranioid creeping further and further with surveillance plans afraid of the evil they're spreading globally. America will show signs of falling completely, karma for the most corrupt power the world has ever been held hostage by, weak excuses for Africom as they have now enraged a large populace who reside in their own back yard. Destablization begins to be difficult to hide as even the foolish being to ask questions, backs broken due to various forms of tax.

Oyster card becomes, ID card which morphs into a credit card, cash is dead. Demographics has long taken a menacing twist as full profiles are held on the population, armed police, loudspeakers alongside CCTV cameras.

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