[Pele]

1) First, this month we have seen the end of Brown VS Board of Educatin (which declared and established the old state law of separate public schools for black and white students are INHERENTLY UNEQUAL) the highest court of the land, US Supreme Court said NO to such law and violated 60 years of civil rights era OF equal protection clause......400 of educational dis-advantage.......Five Republicans including one black, said America has became equal society, so no need for integration of schools......which if you live here know that is not the case.

In my state, a black family before this could have taken their kids away from poorly run inner city schools and sent them to burbs and the well-run schools where I had the chance to attend. These schools are 100% better quality, the city and counties spend wealth of money on educating their kids, but also these parents due to the previous law have school buses to take their kids to school, miles away. Now, parents have to drop, and also schols are not responsible to integrate their schools...........which is another way of saying NO to BLACK students. Last few years the conservative movement in the US have cut or put back all the social concepts and ideas of the civil rights movement back many decades and it will not end.......

2) Yesterday, after the ACLU (Rights group) asked a lower courts to see if individual Americans can sue the government if they find-out that they were being spied on, the lower court said NO, one can not sue the government and BushCO have the right to spy or wire anyone they seem fit........Remember X and King.........Yep, again this is 2007 the government can go after those they disagree with, without a fear of the law........

Now, you may ask so what? If you look at the tide that this country is going, slipping further into toilet, one can expect many more laws that will work against minorities will be endorsed and passed. These are the first wave of perfect storm.

[Miss Nellia]

So what is Black America doing or going to do about it??

[Pele]

Dunno miss....

Even if we elect Obama or other liberal leaders this will still be dealt with by the court, which is 5 to 4 conservative right now......

What R U thinking they should?

[Pele]

Here is what the conservative Chief Justice who voted against this wrote..

"Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin. The school districts in these cases have not carried the heavy burden of demonstrating that we should allow this once again.even for very different reasons. For schools that never segregated on the basis of race, such as Seattle, or that have removed the vestiges of past segregation, such as Jefferson County, the way to achieve a system of determining admission to the public schools on a nonracial basis ... is to stop assigning students on a racial basis. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."

And here is what dissenting Justice Stevens responded....

"There is a cruel irony in The Chief Justice's reliance on our decision in Brown v. Board of Education, 349 U. S. 294 (1955). The first sentence in the concluding paragraph of his opinion states: "Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin." This sentence reminds me of Anatole France's observation: "[T]he majestic equality of the la[w], forbid[s] rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread." The Chief Justice fails to note that it was only black schoolchildren who were so ordered; indeed, the history books do not tell stories of white children struggling to attend black schools. In this and other ways, The Chief Justice rewrites the history of one of this Court's most important decisions....The Court has changed significantly since it decided School Comm. of Boston in 1968. It was then more faithful to Brown and more respectful of our precedent than it is today. It is my firm conviction that no Member of the Court that I joined in 1975 would have agreed with today's decision.

He also added that.....and this is the most important.

"By way of contrast to Justice Thomas(the only black member who voted against-what a rat!), I do not claim to know how best to stop harmful discrimination; how best to create a society that includes all Americans; how best to overcome our serious problems of increasing de facto segregation, troubled inner city schooling, and poverty correlated with race. But, as a judge, I do know that the Constitution does not authorize judges to dictate solutions to these problems. Rather, the Constitution creates a democratic political system through which the people themselves must together find answers. And it is for them to debate how best to educate the Nation's children and how best to administer America's schools to achieve that aim. The Court should leave them to their work. And it is for them to decide, to quote the plurality's slogan, whether the best "way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."... That is why the Equal Protection Clause outlaws invidious discrimination, but does not similarly forbid all use of race-conscious criteria. Until today, this Court understood the Constitution as affording the people, acting through their elected representatives, freedom to select the use of "race-conscious" criteria from among their available options. ... Today, however, the Court restricts (and some Members would eliminate) that leeway. I fear the consequences of doing so for the law, for the schools, for the democratic process, and for America's efforts to create, out of its diversity, one Nation":.

What can I say!

[Miss Nellia]

Originally Posted by Pele

Dunno miss....

Even if we elect Obama or other liberal leaders this will still be dealt with by the court, which is 5 to 4 conservative right now......

What R U thinking they should?

Sorry I took so long to respond I went out. Forgot to log out.



Anyhu..
I have read what was said by both parties in your post above, but I don't think you would like what I really think about the whole situation.

[Madam Butterfly]

Personally i would be FOR segregation if i felt the government could be trusted to give Black schools equal money/resources/quality of education . As it is, i think a system whereby wealthy, influential Black americans were running the schools for the good of educating our children rather than profit would be a better system.

[Miss Nellia]

Part of me says good, about time we stop looking to white people for everything, about time we start putting some time, money and effort into our own, for our own....... lets start creating high quality / standard black schools that enrich and properly educate our kids. Segregation may not be a bad thing at all.
We're busy making nike, timberlands and all these corporations filthy rich, and ignoring the basic fundamentals for any group in a society. So lets stop looking to get into the white mans schools and start concentrating on our own upliftment...... as someone used to say on this forum long time ago... we need to stop looking to them for validation.
If Black Americans can't see that the civil rights movement has done a full 360 and that only they can LIFT themselves out of the plight that afflicts them, then all kind of laws will get reinstated.
Also heard that affirmative action by employers doesn't have to be enforced either.... do you think that this has any real major impact on any other minority group in US society apart from black people???
It won't be an easy ride for AAs to stand on their own two feet but God gave us two feet to stand, so lets "get ta steppin" There I said it..

[Madam Butterfly]

Originally Posted by Miss Nellia

Part of me says good, about time we stop looking to white people for everything, about time we start putting some time, money and effort into our own, for our own....... lets start creating high quality / standard black schools that enrich and properly educate our kids. Segregation may not be a bad thing at all.
We're busy making nike, timberlands and all these corporations filthy rich, and ignoring the basic fundamentals for any group in a society. So lets stop looking to get into the white mans schools and start concentrating on our own upliftment...... as someone used to say on this forum long time ago... we need to stop looking to them for validation.
If Black Americans can't see that the civil rights movement has done a full 360 and that they only they can LIFT themselves out of the plight that afflicts them, then all kind of laws will get reinstated.
Also heard that affirmative action by employees doesn't have to be enforced either.... do you think that this has any real major impact on any other minority group in US society apart from black people???
It won't be an easy ride for AAs to stand on their own two feet but God gave us two feet to stand, so lets "get ta steppin" There I said it..

Agreed. I said as much to an American mate a while back and he got on the defensive talking about how i didn;t understand how hard it was for Black folks in America. I said that in my (limited) opinion there were SOME problems that they brought on themselves. So Miss nellia, i agree with your sentiments about them stop looking to white folks to give them a hand up all the time then complain when they don;t get it.

[Miss Nellia]

MB....It's not a popular view, not by AAs anyway, but one worth considering as the proof that 'these people' cannot be trusted and will go back on their word whenever they feel like it, is frighteningly clear for the world to see.

@Pele
Pardon my french here....but Obama can't do shit... ever heard of puppet on a string???

[Pele]

"stop looking to white people for everything" I agree, but this Court order has little to do with race and more to do with Poor vs Rich. Latinos and others will also face the slap of this ruling. I know this, many black kids don't get excluded from good schools right now, because they're black as was the case in the past, they get excluded because they're poor, live in poor f*cked up part of the city and live in poor areas with shitty schools.

Miss and Madam.......First of all, I don't see how segregation at this day and age, where wealth 'n power are not distributed equally will benefit blacks...! For segregation to take hold, you need a equal groups....WE don't have that in the US. Second, as an out-sider-I have seen how the education system of this country works, and now there are hubla hubla about model minorities doing well in American Universaties(read some of the posts about this in the news section)...You know why they 'r doing well? All due to racist methods used by schools, that would give Non-AA born a position. This is simple, the US Supreme Court was right 60 years ago about this un-equal nation and we still need such laws to defend those left behind.

Justice Stevens, who I follow a lot and have read some of his earlier work has this right when he wrote "The history books do not tell stories of white children struggling to attend black schools. Now more than ever, its about wealth, not race and that's how we should see this.