My first response is to say yes. but define pro black. cos it seems to me that everyone has their own idea of what pro black really is.

An image is worth a thousand words...look what they done with a blonde haired blue eyed jesus...

So my answer to the question is a resounding yes, but you'll never win the argument of credibility..which I guess makes it a resounding no

Kunjufu, i've thought the same before many times, have you noticed that a lot of black men who say they are proud black men making strides for all black people tend to have white girlfriends/wives. A lot of brothers with locks on their head and dashikis preaching about oppression have white girls/wives and they usually have the whitest of white women while they are the blackest of black men. I think for such people its as a result of two people who are the extremes of different races who see the exact image of their 'enemy' and are attracted to what they seem to be opposing. In some cases though its just a situation of the cocconut i.e a person who is black outside & white inside (listens only to white music, understands white humor, is distant from their black self, etc) who therefore seeks a white companion.


In the case of succesful black women like quite a few intelligent black women I've known they push themselves away from possibilities of a same race relationship becomes of a superiority complex they develop because of the skills they posses they begin to think black men are helpless and that they are somehow above them and end up looking for 'equal' spouses (white guys) which ironically echoes within them an inferiority complex because they subconsciously & often consciously think a non-black man is superior. Its the same with the executive and humanitarian black guys who marry white girls.


I think its good to have same race marriages family-wise because of the culture aspect of teaching and guiding children ... (notice the aspect of inferiority common whenever a black person marries a white person is reflected because the culture and norms of the white parent are usually more dorminant besides perhaps a few genetic traits that are difficult to bypass).

Well this thread is going to be about 40 pages long.

No. No. And an emphatic NO!!

Yes Bernie Grant worked for black people and did alot of good. But did he practice solidarity at home? No.

Did Diop contribute greatly to African culture and history. Yes. Did his white wife contradict his African orientated view in the halls of scholorship. Sure did.

Now some will say.. "it doesnt stop them doing good for Africans/blacks/" no it may not . By all accounts MLK had a bag of white women/ guess he took integration literally/ but to me there are two questions here.

1) Will having a white partner 'water down' one's aim to furthering Africans just by daily association and investment in white families? After all if you marry / have children with someone you are an extended part of their family like it or not.

2) Does having a white partner in itself hinder the progression of Africans? i.e the very act of procreating with a white women/man and producng a non African child.

You got people who are 'pro-black' and promote gangster rap. Of course its possible. Whether their contradictions outweigh their contributions only Jah itself can know. And man will judge.

In theory such a person is soley devoted to their own - Black is beautiful, another is not going to cut it, so No in theory these people dont exist. In practice and reality, these people are a fast growing new breed of pro blacks. The Neo pro black women/man.

The Fu - in case my post came across a bit cryptic I'd just like to clear things up and say HELL NO!

Vezz - you gone too far already..food?....what about the in-laws

It's deffinately an oxy moron as MB says. I'm in no way an advocator of IR relationships and you'll never catch me planting my lips on a grey. BUT as I've seen it happen, I understand that people fall in love with who they fall in love with. The problem is that this is often the case for less than 1% of the IR relationships I've seen. I know people who have spent their lives condeming white folk and then bam all of a sudden they're shackin up and makin babies with one. Majority of these relationships i've come accross are often born out of self hate indeed but it's not always the case. sometimes love is just love. I think the real question is whether you have to alter your thinking once you embark on an IR relationship.

I note that nobody has address the conundrum about, were these people listed above pro-black?

yes.

but if it were ME then i WOULD be classed as a hypocrite because I don't think i'm just pro black. (that was my feeble attempt at illustrating the difference between pro black and beyond pro black) lol.

Maybe i'm reading the question wrong. I'm reading it along the lines as Does someone in an IR relationship have the right to be offended or affedcted by racism?

Kunjufu surely you have to decipher the factors that led to some of these IR relationships starting in the first place!!

For instance one of my friends from jam down married a black gal to get his papers in the country and the girl in question was black. She wanted him to muff dive her to which he said go f--- yourself.

This left him in a difficult situation as the relationship broke down and they got divorce. With time running out he married again but this time to a white gal and he is still here.

The white girl didn't dare ask him to perform this crude act and they had a child together. The irony is this mate of mine is a ras so how could this sister be so wicked???

This is why not everything we see is as it appears.

I don't think that person could consider himself pro black if he is with someone of a different culture. There is loyalty involved here so what would be the depth of his loyalty with regard to certain issues. Sooner or later some of those issues would be watered down in order to please.