Lol!
Mennnn...you're funny!
A mule and an arcre indeed....
I don't know what Hillary will definately do when she gets into power but like you said if it's a tried and tested sh*t maybe that's why you don't want to rock the boat..valid point
On the other hand though suspicious as it is that Obama is welcomed by the whites, it could all be pshycological war-fare to shake the confidence of some black people in him, if they go all out guns blazing against him like they did with OJ they know Obama would become a living martyr! and I don't think they would unwittingly make that mistake twice in a row... I think I can look at Obama from a few angles, if as you said their (Hillary and Obama's) policies are not yards apart both being democrats ofcourse, then I would find it a positive experience just to see a mostly black (though maybe not as native as most would like) being at the realms of such power. If Arnold who is essentially austrian can make it , maybe Obama could get a look in too..From reports Obama has been talking to people like JZ,Kanye etc who whether we like it or not lots of young black kids look up to about putting positive stuff out there. Ok maybe JZ would be as hypocritcal but I beleive in positive reinforcement , some of it will get to the kids...
Maybe one thing to ponderon is how soon another black family will get so close, who knows maybe it'll be the norm...
Something that popped to me was I'm sure till MLK's acceptance eventually by the white community must have put some black people off him, but it must be comforting that the message still came through him and the others in the team inspite of it all...

Lest it was getting lost in translation I have ALWAYS said that IMHO noone should vote for anyone without getting informed about the person they feel inclined to vote for even if it happens to be Obama. Also like I said in my previous answer to this , if Obama doesn't seem to to be that far off from Hillary inspite of his inexperience what would any black person have to lose from seeing someone who looks like them being respected and revered as we've seem in a few hollywood movies with Morgan Freeman as president? Guess time will tell..

We wouldn't have anything to lose. The only problem is, he has to win first. One of the main considerations in the Democratic party selection of a nominee is how much of a chance the person chosen will have against whatever white male nominee the Republicans are going to nominate. THe Dems have not been in the WHite house in 8 years. There are BLack people here who for good reason, don't believe that white people are going to vote en masse for a Black man for President,(even a Black man they think is "safe" and who makes them feel comfy). There are AA's who believe, rightly or wrongly that to nominate a Black man on the Dem side, is to insure a loss in the General Election. BTW, there are also Black people and white people here, who believe that to nominate Hillary is to insure a loss in the General Election. So it's just a matter of who Dems feel, who is less of a longshot. Some of us, because of our past experience with mighty whitey, feel that Hillary is less of a longshot. To be honest, if there was a white man on the Dem side, who people thought had any chance whatsoever or who wasn't a total dud, Hillary and Obama would be in trouble, because most Dems would vote for the viable white man(Black and white Dems I mean), cause they want to WIN in November. The way I see it, this is probably the year to take a chance and vote for someone Black, because the way I analyze it, as long as the Republicans can prop up a white man with a pulse on their side, that person, is going to become attractive to large numbers of white people(no matter how much of a loser he is) and have a shot at winning against Hillary or Obama, just because he's a white man, and they are not.......Call me cynical, but that's how I see it.

There have been Black candidates on the govenor level, like Doug Wilder in VA, and Tom Bradley in California, who according to the polls should have won HANDILY in those states. Wilder did win, by 1 point, mainly because of the large number of BLack folks in VA. Bradley lost 2 times to unknown, nondescript white candidates, in spite of being a law and order type dude(former police chief), and mayor of Los Angeles for years. White folks supposedly loved Bradley and told pollsters they were going to vote for him. They went into the voting booths and did the exact opposite of what they said they would do. Whites who normally voted for Democrats switched and voted Republican, rather than vote for a N*gger, when it came down to it, in "LIBERAL" California. It happened in other cities/states,as well. The media even gave the phenomenon a name, the "Bradley Effect". It basically means that white people will lie to pollsters about who they are going to vote for,switch and vote for the opposite party that they normally vote for and some more ish, when it comes to voting for a BLack person. Have the masses of white folks changed in that regard? That remains to be seen, but you can understand why a lot of AA's are not banking on that. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.......

Valid points, but I have only gone from the resistance I have heard directly.... As far as presidency goes I don't know anyone was in power who was part-black, if they are so concerned about nativity how come it did Arnold no harm being foreign, (Ok he married a kennedy)maybe he is a bit special...lol


It got me thinking the other day all these jewish sit-coms that clog the tv/cable here is unblievable, some have been really cool, but others have just been cringe-worthy yet you know if the TV powers in America weren't so jewish concentrated most of them wouldn't get anywhere. Still don't advocate doing anything just because someone has "black in them" which looks like will not happen anyhow...but I also would not discount them just because they are not the "white dream"...

Black folks didn't support Arnold in his bid for govenor, to my knowledge he ran as a Republican and most of us are Democrats,,and like I stated before, Arnold can't run for president because he is not native born, that is a law. THere have been some part Black presidents,lol, there is a book called 5 BLack presidents as a matter of fact, and one of them is still living,(most people just don't know it cause they were passing for white, but that's a whole other discussion). The bottom line is, AA's don't have to prove that we will vote for white people, partially white people,partially Black people, or BLack people, we have and will vote for all of the above, we do it everyday. It is WHITE people who have yet to show that THEY will vote for anybody other than a white person in any significant way, in any significant numbers.


I guess when opinions are unsolicited they can be annoying...lol
Like I said this is the only Obama esq thread I have read or talked about (I might go looking for the others just to see what you're talking about ..) so I doubt I have come down hard on anyone with smuggness or anything else for that matter, I ask when I don't know, to me there's alot to be learnt from others.. being the american presidency you know there's going to be opinions left right front and centre...funnily enough black people are so pre-occupied with why they will or/will not vote for Obama that it seems they have not paid much attention to what some whites think about it, and lets just say some of that stuff online is freaky but at least we're distracted enough right now..lol

Understood, and I wasn't directing my earlier comments towards you. Black folks don't pay much attention to what white folks SAY they think about it because a. in some instances we already know, some of us know what they think before THEY know what they think, we've been dealing with their asses for so long, and b. we don't believe them, anyway,lol.

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We wouldn't have anything to lose. The only problem is, he has to win first. One of the main considerations in the Democratic party selection of a nominee is how much of a chance the person chosen will have against whatever white male nominee the Republicans are going to nominate. THe Dems have not been in the WHite house in 8 years. There are BLack people here who for good reason, don't believe that white people are going to vote en masse for a Black man for President,(even a Black man they think is "safe" and who makes them feel comfy). There are AA's who believe, rightly or wrongly that to nominate a Black man on the Dem side, is to insure a loss in the General Election. BTW, there are also Black people and white people here, who believe that to nominate Hillary is to insure a loss in the General Election. So it's just a matter of who Dems feel, who is less of a longshot. Some of us, because of our past experience with mighty whitey, feel that Hillary is less of a longshot. To be honest, if there was a white man on the Dem side, who people thought had any chance whatsoever or who wasn't a total dud, Hillary and Obama would be in trouble, because most Dems would vote for the viable white man(Black and white Dems I mean), cause they want to WIN in November. The way I see it, this is probably the year to take a chance and vote for someone Black, because the way I analyze it, as long as the Republicans can prop up a white man with a pulse on their side, that person, is going to become attractive to large numbers of white people(no matter how much of a loser he is) and have a shot at winning against Hillary or Obama, just because he's a white man, and they are not.......Call me cynical, but that's how I see it.

There have been Black candidates on the govenor level, like Doug Wilder in VA, and Tom Bradley in California, who according to the polls should have won HANDILY in those states. Wilder did win, by 1 point, mainly because of the large number of BLack folks in VA. Bradley lost 2 times to unknown, nondescript white candidates, in spite of being a law and order type dude(former police chief), and mayor of Los Angeles for years. White folks supposedly loved Bradley and told pollsters they were going to vote for him. They went into the voting booths and did the exact opposite of what they said they would do. Whites who normally voted for Democrats switched and voted Republican, rather than vote for a N*gger, when it came down to it, in "LIBERAL" California. It happened in other cities/states,as well. The media even gave the phenomenon a name, the "Bradley Effect". It basically means that white people will lie to pollsters about who they are going to vote for,switch and vote for the opposite party that they normally vote for and some more ish, when it comes to voting for a BLack person. Have the masses of white folks changed in that regard? That remains to be seen, but you can understand why a lot of AA's are not banking on that. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.......

Going with your theory perhaps I guess thats why they (whites) are seemingly as you said supporting Obama now (knowing they will be dumping him soon), who knows...though it might be "safe" to vote for the white choice hillary that will not put off white democrats ,but does that become the lingering legacy for any black/part black aspirants...why should any black/part black person bother to go into politics at all then??
I totally get your point about being bitten, but it does make you wonder what the way forward will be... Miracles can happen, but noone will ever know if they don't try...




Black folks didn't support Arnold in his bid for govenor, to my knowledge he ran as a Republican and most of us are Democrats,,and like I stated before, Arnold can't run for president because he is not native born, that is a law. THere have been some part Black presidents,lol, there is a book called 5 BLack presidents as a matter of fact, and one of them is still living,(most people just don't know it cause they were passing for white, but that's a whole other discussion). The bottom line is, AA's don't have to prove that we will vote for white people, partially white people,partially Black people, or BLack people, we have and will vote for all of the above, we do it everyday. It is WHITE people who have yet to show that THEY will vote for anybody other than a white person in any significant way, in any significant numbers.


I understand your point, but I hope you realised I meant part-black people who were obviously so, "not passing ones" or dare I say ones married to "white women" (like you said that would just start a whole 'nother discussion). Hopefully the whites will vote for him (obviously he needs the bulk)...just that if black people convince themselves not to do it with no faults on his side ,you've said AA have done it all the time and will continue doing it, but the reason we're having this discussion is because some are saying they won't this time and not for the reasons you have given , but scarily random/self depracating reasons...which is fully their choice to exercise come polling day....
Re: Arnold, I wasn't even talking about him becoming president ,I just meant it did him no harm amongst white people like himself that he is essentially a foreigner,and this was in response to what you said about some AA's having an issue with Obama because he wasn't "deep-rootedly cultural" to america though still essentially american enough to have a valid right to go for presidency...

I didn't say they were simple. I said that they are not as clever or as complex as some of us and them, seem to think they are, or as some of our ass-backwards ways of dealing with them, makes it SEEM like they are. Our inability or unwillingness to learn from the past, and observe their ways and adjust, is proof of our lack of intellect, adaptability,and enduring self loathing(more than anything else), as a collective, not proof of their superior, or even above average intellect. In other words,whites are not all that smart, but they don't need to be, when dealing with us or any other non whites. It's kind of like a person who has always been the smartest person in the room, or in their circle, so they think they are really smart, until they get around some people who are REALLY smart, and find out that in reality they've just been associating with a bunch of morons,lol.

Those Black folks who CAN peep white folks,peep them quite easily, and don't even have to strain their brains, is my point.