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Am I An **UNCLE TOM** If I Vote For This White Republican??? -
08-01-08, 10:09 PM
I don't know, I don't even know anything Barack Obama is about. He never says anything except that he is for "change". Are we supposed to vote for him just because he is of distinguishable African descent?
The front runner for my vote is the Euro Republican from Texas, Dr. Ron Paul. He seems to be the only person who doesn't speak hollow rhetoric and is for what is genuinely good for this country. Does thinking so make me an Uncle Tom?
Check out his views for yourself...
Ron Paul Courageously Speaks the Truth
Ron Paul on Larry King 1-3-2008
If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.

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08-01-08, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Shemsi en Tehuti
I don't know, I don't even know anything Barack Obama is about. He never says anything except that he is for "change". Are we supposed to vote for him just because he is of distinguishable African descent?
The front runner for my vote is the Euro Republican from Texas, Dr. Ron Paul. He seems to be the only person who doesn't speak hollow rhetoric and is for what is genuinely good for this country. Does thinking so make me an Uncle Tom?
Check out his views for yourself...
Ron Paul Courageously Speaks the Truth
Ron Paul on Larry King 1-3-2008
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Answer to your question is....NO!
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09-01-08, 10:52 AM
Unless your disgruntlement toward Obama stems from a deep seated lack of self worth extending toward a lack of value invested in him, or a fear of seeing a ''black'' man (and family) in power that might upset the caucasian then no... although its debatable how much good a Texan can do for Black America over seeing a black family in power extolling power and influence over caucasians which is kind of healing in of itself.
“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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09-01-08, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shemsi en Tehuti
I don't know, I don't even know anything Barack Obama is about. He never says anything except that he is for "change". Are we supposed to vote for him just because he is of distinguishable African descent?
The front runner for my vote is the Euro Republican from Texas, Dr. Ron Paul. He seems to be the only person who doesn't speak hollow rhetoric and is for what is genuinely good for this country. Does thinking so make me an Uncle Tom?
Check out his views for yourself...
Ron Paul Courageously Speaks the Truth
Ron Paul on Larry King 1-3-2008
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Wel i wouldn't call you an Uncle Tom, simply because i think it trivialises the seriousness of the issue at hand.
For someone who comes across as an intelligent, African thinking person to vote for the Republican party is just plain delusional. You cannot separate the Party from its leader. No matter how juicy his so called policies are, the Repubican agenda will always be the priority. And from what i have seen of what this party stands for, i wouldn't vote for anyone running for them....even if it was Malcolm X!
Having watched his so called policies, one could say that had Powell the courage to speak pubicly, they wouldn't be so far off in the way they think.....the question then is, would you have voted for the Republicans if powell was running? The reason i am asking this is that i can sense some kind of "black resistance" from most AA towards Obama. This is a well known disease amongst our people where we tend to resist authority from someone who may "looks" like us or supposed to be representing us. Now, i am not really saying that you should vote for Obama just because he is half of us without finding out anything he stands for.
But it is important that you find out what he actually stands for before running off to vote for whitey because all of a sudden you have turned guluble and starts to believe a word coming out of their cunning mouths.
No, i wouldn't call you an Uncle Tom...i would call you worse if you voted for one the most dispicable party in America...a party thats responsible, via Reagan, for bombarding AA communities with drugs and lawlessness throughout the 80s. Oh and the icing on the cake...Ron actually admires Reagan....is that the kind of politician you want to vote for?
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09-01-08, 01:06 PM
@shems i wouldnt call you an uncle tom. barack obama is not after the black vote. from what i have read and heard him say he can be quite critical of black folk. whereas the clintons always go after the black vote and work hard at getting it. its the one thing they felt let al gore down as he didnt feel he needed to.
not clued up on republicans so cant comment on the guy you mentioned
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black supporters of obama dont understand why some black folk dont suport him.
voting is all about identifying key points in candidates that you can indentify with. just being the same race as someone is not gaurunteed support.
just do what you feel suits you
Think outside of the box...Think in spirit
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09-01-08, 01:32 PM
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Unless your disgruntlement toward Obama stems from a deep seated lack of self worth extending toward a lack of value invested in him, or a fear of seeing a ''black'' man (and family) in power that might upset the caucasian then no... although its debatable how much good a Texan can do for Black America over seeing a black family in power extolling power and influence over caucasians which is kind of healing in of itself.
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I would love to see an African President of the U.S., but it is apparent that no candidate, of African descent or otherwise, will do anything for our people. This statement was resoundingly made when not a single Democratic candidate showed up for the Presidential Debates held by Tavis Smiley, Tom Joyner, and so forth, who organize the State of the Black Union every year in February. People then make excuses for Obama saying he didn't want to risk losing his "broader audience" in speaking specifically on African issues. However, if he can't do it now then he certainly cannot do it once in office.
Our people are simply out of touch with reality when it comes to politics or any tool (human or structural) in a system of White Supremacy. All tools will serve the interests of the system. Within the system all we can do is try to maximize our opportunity, which I only see happening with the policies of Ron Paul and not so much with Barack Obama. Therefore, let's not get caught up in nonsense as if a person with "color" in the White House actually changes anything. As Dr. Carter G. Woodson stated, even if we become successful at imitating Euros, the world will still wonder what the African is good for.
If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.

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09-01-08, 01:49 PM
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Wel i wouldn't call you an Uncle Tom, simply because i think it trivialises the seriousness of the issue at hand.
For someone who comes across as an intelligent, African thinking person to vote for the Republican party is just plain delusional. You cannot separate the Party from its leader. No matter how juicy his so called policies are, the Repubican agenda will always be the priority. And from what i have seen of what this party stands for, i wouldn't vote for anyone running for them....even if it was Malcolm X!
Having watched his so called policies, one could say that had Powell the courage to speak pubicly, they wouldn't be so far off in the way they think.....the question then is, would you have voted for the Republicans if powell was running? The reason i am asking this is that i can sense some kind of "black resistance" from most AA towards Obama. This is a well known disease amongst our people where we tend to resist authority from someone who may "looks" like us or supposed to be representing us. Now, i am not really saying that you should vote for Obama just because he is half of us without finding out anything he stands for.
But it is important that you find out what he actually stands for before running off to vote for whitey because all of a sudden you have turned guluble and starts to believe a word coming out of their cunning mouths.
No, i wouldn't call you an Uncle Tom...i would call you worse if you voted for one the most dispicable party in America...a party thats responsible, via Reagan, for bombarding AA communities with drugs and lawlessness throughout the 80s. Oh and the icing on the cake...Ron actually admires Reagan....is that the kind of politician you want to vote for?
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I would argue that both parties are equally as dispicable, which is why I wish they would trash the whole party-system all together. If it came down to Barack Obama and any other candidate head-to-head, I would vote for Obama hands down. However, Ron Paul has been consistent with his political stance for at least the 10 years I have occasionally followed him. He just never won the Republican ticket for me to vote for him.
I find it interesting you villify Republicans only for drugs in the African community of America, when albeit it was brought in under a Republican administration, it was the Clinton administration that instituted the "War on Drugs" which lead to today's shortage of African men in our communities. In America, 80% of all drug users/traffickers/activity is in the suburbs outside of African communities. However, 80% of drug-related arrests are in low-income African-American communities. This accounts for the fact that 73% of all incarcerated African males are in for non-violent drug-related charges. This was an all-out attack to subdue the African male crafted by the Democratic party.
Let me also remind you that for 100 years, it was the Democrats who struck down every "anti-lynching" bill that went to Congress, while the vast majority were proposed by Republicans. The Segregationists, Jim Crow advocates, and Klansmen (or pronounced White Supremacists), were predominantly Democrats. There has been no change in power or economic/political structure since the Civil Rights era, and from looking at our communities here in the States we have undergone just a more sophisticated lynching under Democrats as the vast majority of "urban" areas with predominant African populations have been almost wholely Democratic for almost 40 years.
I don't say this to advocate Republicans over Democrats, but to demonstrate that we have absolutely no security in either party. We must vote for the best candidate that will maximize our opportunity so that (when we make up our minds) we more readily be self-sufficient and self-determined.
If we were real citizens, then there would be no need for "Civil Rights". There are already enough laws on the law books to protect the rights of real citizens.

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09-01-08, 01:56 PM
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as if a person with "color" in the White House actually changes anything. As Dr. Carter G. Woodson stated, even if we become successful at imitating Euros, the world will still wonder what the African is good for.
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Point taken, he wouldn't be able or allowed to do anything different, if anything he'd have to be more cold toward us as African peoples to keep the majority and other politicians happy but the 'face factor', seeing a black family in a position of power would have its own effect both on the caucasians around the world and with certain of us Black African peoples in general... surely a vote with him is better than a vote with a democrat/liberal policy supporting republican. That guy is too weak on issues to win.
“There is no harder misfortune in all human history than when the powerful of the earth are not also the first men. Then everything becomes false and awry and monstrous. And when they are even the last men and more beast than man, then the value of rabble rises higher and higher and at last the rabble-virtue says: Behold, I alone am virtue.”- S.A.Israel
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09-01-08, 02:27 PM
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I would argue that both parties are equally as dispicable, which is why I wish they would trash the whole party-system all together. If it came down to Barack Obama and any other candidate head-to-head, I would vote for Obama hands down. However, Ron Paul has been consistent with his political stance for at least the 10 years I have occasionally followed him. He just never won the Republican ticket for me to vote for him.
I find it interesting you villify Republicans only for drugs in the African community of America, when albeit it was brought in under a Republican administration, it was the Clinton administration that instituted the "War on Drugs" which lead to today's shortage of African men in our communities. In America, 80% of all drug users/traffickers/activity is in the suburbs outside of African communities. However, 80% of drug-related arrests are in low-income African-American communities. This accounts for the fact that 73% of all incarcerated African males are in for non-violent drug-related charges. This was an all-out attack to subdue the African male crafted by the Democratic party.
Let me also remind you that for 100 years, it was the Democrats who struck down every "anti-lynching" bill that went to Congress, while the vast majority were proposed by Republicans. The Segregationists, Jim Crow advocates, and Klansmen (or pronounced White Supremacists), were predominantly Democrats. There has been no change in power or economic/political structure since the Civil Rights era, and from looking at our communities here in the States we have undergone just a more sophisticated lynching under Democrats as the vast majority of "urban" areas with predominant African populations have been almost wholely Democratic for almost 40 years.
I don't say this to advocate Republicans over Democrats, but to demonstrate that we have absolutely no security in either party. We must vote for the best candidate that will maximize our opportunity so that (when we make up our minds) we more readily be self-sufficient and self-determined.
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Ok..point taken. I guess you guys know whats best for yourselves....good luck.
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09-01-08, 03:58 PM
I hear you about examining Obama's politics.
The presidential elections and the political process here is about picking the lesser of evils. not necessarily finding a candidate who speaks to your issues.
democrats generally are lesser of 2 evils over here.....
Nature of politics , at least here, is about money. The ones who fund you are the ones who control you...not about morality, doing good or helping people...money talks..everything else walks....
When there are more African American lobby groups funded by Black people, our issues will be addressed.
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09-01-08, 04:22 PM
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Point taken, he wouldn't be able or allowed to do anything different, if anything he'd have to be more cold toward us as African peoples to keep the majority and other politicians happy but the 'face factor', seeing a black family in a position of power would have its own effect both on the caucasians around the world and with certain of us Black African peoples in general... surely a vote with him is better than a vote with a democrat/liberal policy supporting republican. That guy is too weak on issues to win.
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I'm not sure who you mean is weak on issues, but it certainly not Ron Paul. Obama doesn't deal with any issues, which is better I guess:-\. Also, Ron Paul's issues have allowed plenty of gross roots support from your average (poor) American who are donating millions via the internet, while the mass media has pretty much been silent on him compared to the coverage they give Clinton and Obama. Plus with this gross roots support I think there could be more support even after he gets into office against the private tyrannies elites that might block him once it comes to dealing with policies.
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