How does a descendant of slavery release an album title N*** in Black History Month? - Page 2

Gmahogany777 · (#26 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by TheDogon

???? Then why do you care what NAS does? Or what us "poor Blacks" do? We don't effect you, we don't have anything to do with you. We do what we damn well please. If you don't like it. . .then too damn bad.

Cause it may make white folks or you fill in the blank of whatever group, think "we all are like that", that's why. It's one of the hallmarks of oppressed people who've bought into their own inferiority and powerlessness.

Somebody made a thread on another Board I belong to, talking about one of the Jena 6 kids getting into an altercation with what I think was a white kid at his new school in Dallas. THe Jena 6 kid says the other kid vandalized his car. What really happened, who knows? But you had some Black/Negro/African/N*gger make a thread about how embarrassing it was. Then all these other Black/Negro/African/N*ggers started saying that's why they didnt support THE Jena 6 movement or regretted supporting it if they did. I came in and blasted their asses, like only I can do. Asked them questions like why are YOU embarrassed. How do you know that the kid he beat up DIDN'T vandalize his car and deserve that ass whipping?Even if the Jena 6 kid was dead wrong, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China???

In short, our rights to equality(ONLY OUR RIGHTS, MIND U, NOT ANY OTHER GROUP'S RIGHTS), liberty, self defense and pursuit of happiness are CONTINGENT on: how we act, how we talk,how we dress, whether or not we embarrass the collective, are we solidly middle classed, etc, etc. I can't demand my rights from white folks who seek to mistreat or abuse me, until YOU act right,lol. As long as YOU ain't acting right, THEY are going to think we are ALL inferior(as if they didn't already think that, but that's beside the point). That's why I will spend all of my time browbeating YOU into acting/talking/being a certain way, rather than understanding that real equality means that we have the right to produce:geniuses/martyrs/saints, AS WELL AS, phuck ups, losers/scoundrels/idiots and ne'rdowells, just like EVERYBODY ELSE. Not only is our humanity not compromised by that, our humanity is CONFIRMED by that. Anytime a group of people feels like they have to be above reproach to claim the rights/treatment/consideration that other groups feel entitled to, just cause they showed up here on Earth, that group has already been sold on it's own inferiority.

TheDogon · (#27 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Gmahogany777

Cause it may make white folks or you fill in the blank of whatever group, think "we all are like that", that's why. It's one of the hallmarks of oppressed people who've bought into their own inferiority and powerlessness.

Somebody made a thread on another Board I belong to, talking about one of the Jena 6 kids getting into an altercation with what I think was a white kid at his new school in Dallas. THe Jena 6 kid says the other kid vandalized his car. What really happened, who knows? But you had some Black/Negro/African/N*gger make a thread about how embarrassing it was. Then all these other Black/Negro/African/N*ggers started saying that's why they didnt support THE Jena 6 movement or regretted supporting it if they did. I came in and blasted their asses, like only I can do. Asked them questions like why are YOU embarrassed. How do you know that the kid he beat up DIDN'T vandalize his car and deserve that ass whipping?Even if the Jena 6 kid was dead wrong, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China???

In short, our rights to equality(ONLY OUR RIGHTS, MIND U, NOT ANY OTHER GROUP'S RIGHTS), liberty, self defense and pursuit of happiness are CONTINGENT on: how we act, how we talk,how we dress, whether or not we embarrass the collective, are we solidly middle classed, etc, etc. I can't demand my rights from white folks who seek to mistreat or abuse me, until YOU act right,lol. As long as YOU ain't acting right, THEY are going to think we are ALL inferior(as if they didn't already think that, but that's beside the point). That's why I will spend all of my time browbeating YOU into acting/talking/being a certain way, rather than understanding that real equality means that we have the right to produce:geniuses/martyrs/saints, AS WELL AS, phuck ups, losers/scoundrels/idiots and ne'rdowells, just like EVERYBODY ELSE. Not only is our humanity not compromised by that, our humanity is CONFIRMED by that. Anytime a group of people feels like they have to be above reproach to claim the rights/treatment/consideration that other groups feel entitled to, just cause they showed up here on Earth, that group has already been sold on it's own inferiority.

Oh. . .preach. I can just read your posts all day long.

astmartins · (#28 (**permalink**))

Just like the nonsense that is black british another frigging label from massa...i consider myself unapologetically African warts and all...its in my spirits

@G
Do you think YT people are not embarrassed when they hear about paedophiles and having sex with dead bodies?....everyone feels shame no matter what race..so as people of colour should we just turn a blind eye and not be in a position to castigate our own??....this stuff happens in African countries too and within families how many times were you castigated as a kid for embarassing the family during an outing to say your relatives??....YTS don't have to come into every equation...its just the way we all have been conditioned...that Jena 6 boy wasn't well guided at all..... that provocation would follow him everywhere of course if he was just a random youth he can whup whoever but now hes a high profile case and seems to be on the verge of losing it with all the scrutiny!!
To bring your point home you get some of our own people at work who are too embarassed to even acknowledge you when they with their YT friends as if please!! don't embarass me by trying to acknowledge me...those are the ones that riles me...those types who seperate themselves as if they not of African descent...

Gmahogany777 · (#29 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by astmartins

Just like the nonsense that is black british another frigging label from massa...i consider myself unapologetically African warts and all...its in my spirits

@G
Do you think YT people are not embarrassed when they hear about paedophiles and having sex with dead bodies?....everyone feels shame no matter what race..so as people of colour should we just turn a blind eye and not be in a position to castigate our own??....this stuff happens in African countries too and within families how many times were you castigated as a kid for embarassing the family during an outing to say your relatives??....YTS don't have to come into every equation...its just the way we all have been conditioned...that Jena 6 boy wasn't well guided at all..... that provocation would follow him everywhere of course if he was just a random youth he can whup whoever but now hes a high profile case and seems to be on the verge of losing it with all the scrutiny!!
To bring your point home you get some of our own people at work who are too embarassed to even acknowledge you when they with their YT friends as if please!! don't embarass me by trying to acknowledge me...those are the ones that riles me...those types who seperate themselves as if they not of African descent...

No, they aren't embarrassed. Because they are allowed to be INDIVDUALS. Just like there is no such thing as white "leaders". No one white person can ever be presumed to represent them or speak for them. But one or two or three can be presumed to speak for YOU. Not only that, white people usually have a hand in deciding which Black people DO speak for/represent you,lol.

Only the GOOD stuff that another white person does reflects on them,lol. They didn't look at Jeffery Dahmer who was a REAL LIFE cannibal, and say, ooooo, how embarrassing to us as white people that this white man was literally EATING Black men. They still rest securely and comfortably in seeing OTHER people as proned to cannibalism,not themselves, and will call Africans cannibals in a heartbeat. The fact that there was a real live cannibal from amongst their midst, has NOTHING to do with them as a collective or as individuals. They wouldn't let you pin that sh*t on them, if you tried.......

When the white dude did the Oklahoma city bombing thing, it didn't occur to whites for a minute(either regular white folks or the media/law enforcement community) to start thinking of all white men as domestic terror suspects. That was just some crazy white dude, who did what he did, same with David Koresh or any one of the many white serial killers there have been(but let that had been a non white person and see what would have happened). Eventhough up til the DC sniper, the profile of serial killers was EXCLUSIVELy white men, you didn't see them losing sleep over that. Asking themselves WHY IS THAT? They are free to be. Free to be smart, dumb, upstanding, lowdown, moral, amoral, immoral, it does not make a dent in how they see themselves as a collective. It does not cause them to make dumb ass comments like you routinely hear Negroes make about how we dont' have the right to respond to this,that and the other, cause of what some N*gger that has nothing to do with us, said/did/thinks. It does not cause them to run around trying to browbeat members of their collective about xy and z, or run up to non whites trying to prove that THEY aren't just like whatever loser white man or woman is making news, or saying or doing something ignorant,at the moment.

They don't even claim or let you saddle them with the dirt their own friggin relatives and ancestors did/do. They'll tell you in a minute, that wasn't me, so don't come to me about that,even if they BENEFITED from said, dirt.

You've got Black people who watch the nightly news hoping and praying that whoever robbed the latest bank, or killed someone, or got a jaywalking ticket, wasn't ONE OF US. That's part and parcel of the way racism/white supremacy works. It boxes you in and makes you perpetually feel the need to JUSTIFY/defend your very existence, but not only that, it conditions you to play warden/judge/jury/overseer and executioner over the other members of you group,as well.

If you don't use the N-word, and those in your cipher and circle don't either, why do you care whether a rapper from another country chooses to refer to himself as that?Why does it bother you? If it has nothing to do with you and yours, problem solved. I don't care whether Nas wants to call his album N*gger, or Tar Baby or RUnaway slave, or Watermelon Man. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not responsible for Nas. I don't even know Nas. I've never been a fan of his. I've always thought that he tried too hard and didn't fact check some of his sh*t(that's more offensive to me than whether he calls his album Ni*gger or not,lol). THat song he had called 'I know I can', or something like that, with all of the kids in the video(that was a "POSITIVE" song,btw), where he talks about Alexander the Great shooting the nose off of the sphinx. According to the urban legend, it was Napoleon(totally different time in history),, but he couldn't even get that right. Everytime I would hear that song i would cringe, cause I'm like he's giving WRONG info out to folks, why doesn't he FACT CHECK?. I hate for a mofo to think they are smarter than what they are, trying to kick knowledge when they aren't really cut out to do so,too lazy, too dumb, what have you....

So when I see grown ass people, getting themselves all in a tizzy over somebody who didn't even think to fact check their ish, before putting out a song WORLDWIDE, where they are purportedly EDUCATING people, I'm like Seriously? Is this what we are doing now? Ya'll are worried about THIS dude?LOL.

TheDogon · (#30 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Melissa

Who are you calling 'poor blacks'? What are you talking about?

Dogon read your own questions again because that is what i was answering.

G - speak for your self! Nothing in your post relates to anything i was talking about. Dogon was trying to imply that we are not educated or positive as a people were the asians and jews are, i disagreed.

Really? You disagreed? Where? I did see that you divided us up. There are the good n!ggers over here and the bad n!ggers over there. NAS is one of the bad ones and you are one of the good ones.

It was that damn simple. It wasn't all that complicated.

Gmahogany777 · (#31 (**permalink**))

I think that people need to stop acting like just because someone has a microphone or a platform, that means they are a. intelligent, b. informed, c. not full of shit, d.speaking for anyone other than their damn self,e. don't have ulterior motives/agendas. People give these rappers and comedians too much friggin weight and creedence. Paticularly the Black ones. You'll never hear anyone trying to saddle all white people with a particular view, based on what a friggin COMEDIAN said, or what EMINEM, said,lol. Yet mofos, white AND some Blacks from other places will run up to AA's asking us to account for what some rapper/singer/comedian/politician said, and assuming that they speak for or represent all of us. THese Black celebs are just like non celeb Black folks. Some are smart, some are dumb. Some know what the phuck they are talking about, some talk out of their asses. Some are full of sh*t, some are not. Some have good judgement, some don't. Some fact check, some don't,lol.

Gmahogany777 · (#32 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Melissa

[b]G - I work in the music industry so anything any of your dumb ass rappers do affects me.

Nas happens to be one of the artist on the label i work for, so part of the promotion and marketing of that product would come under my remit.

I don't expect to have to come up against shit like this at work in 2008. I couldn't give a shit what they put in their lyrics, because i don't have to recite them or listen to them to do my job, but the title of an album is very important when doing PR for the product obviosly, there is NO WAY i will be walking around the UK as the PR rep for an album called N*****.

You would be ready to kill me if i were to do this for an album by a white artist with that title.

It has nothing to do with what white people think, you rehashed that tired line everytime this topic comes up and its boring now. Why is it so hard for you to accept that some black people find the word OFFENSIVE!? /B]

It's not difficult for me to accept that some Black people find it offensive. I don't expect people who find that word or any other word offensive to use it, or want it used by people around them. That is their prerogative. That has nothing to do with me and what words I choose to use among my circle/family/friends,however. I have one AA friend who doesn't use the word and doesn't particularly like to hear it,either. I try to respect that, but she knows that if you hang out with me for extended periods of time, you're bound to hear the word occasionally, just like you're bound to hear some profanity. I guess the benefits of hanging out with Gmahogany outweigh the negatives, cause I haven't been kicked to the curb yet,over it..... If the occasional use of certain words bothers a person that much, they just have to go on about their business,lol. Cause I'm gonna express myself the way I want to. Beyond that, I don't want to be around people who are too uptight about that kind of thing, so the feeling would be mutual,anyway......Problem solved.

I think it's hard for SOME Black people to accept that some of us DON'T find it offensive when used within a certain context among OURSELVES(at least not enough to have coniption fits over). We're not trying to convince you all to START saying the word,remember. Some of ya'll are trying to browbeat us about why we should NOT be using the word. It's interesting that you view that set up as me not accepting your right to have the stance YOU have about the word. In reality you and some of the folks who feel the same way as you, are upset because a lot of us won't accept YOUR stance as OUR stance. In other words people who share your view are not content with just not using the word THEMSELVES, they want to make other BLack folks,(namely AA's),stop using it,TOO,lol. We dont' even live in the same part of the world. The only thing that little phenomenon COULD be related to, is "the image of Black people and how we are effecting how people might think of you" as it relates to Crackers, or some other external entity/group.

The reason you just gave about taking issue with it because of your job makes perfect sense. However, the MYRIAD threads on this Board where Blacks from the UK are going off the deep end about this word, have nothing to do with people being asked to promote an album called N*gger on their job and taking a principled stance against it. (That's the first time I've heard that reason, and it's pretty much the only valid one I've heard, out of all of these threads). That's no different than you taking a stance against a female artist calling her album B*tch. or naming herself Vagina(as Prince tried to get Vanity to do,back in the day). You have every right to object to that. It's not necessary to go around trying force other people to stop using those words,in private convos, to tell your employer YOU refuse to use those words within your job capacity.

Your current individual job conundrum, not withstanding, these debates are not usually about that, they have to do with people trying to browbeat other people about the way they choose to speak within their own cultural context, and private convos in some instances, and YES they have to do with people being worried about what white people and other people think. You can go through the threads and count the numbers of times THEY mention white people and others(remember I did so in the last go round on this matter). Ultimately it ALWAYS comes down to that for most of us, even for some of the older Black "leaders" from America who have never had a problem with using the word, but all of a sudden are on that tip. They didn't have problem with it before, but they do now, why?, cause "white folks" are: watching/listening/observing and might think x,y,z,may want to use it, what do I tell them?how do I explain to them that they can't use it?. ......and all sorts of other assorted foolishness, which I refuse to entertain,lol.

TheDogon · (#33 (**permalink**))

@Dogon

Please do NOT refer to posters using that word again, irrespective of whatever point you were trying to make. It's uncalled for. Don't let it happen again. - PH

DtotheJ · (#34 (**permalink**))

Dogon

I don't think Melissa wrote anything that warranted you calling her out of her name like that.

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This is a touchy issue. I respect people's opinions about stuff as long as it's consistent and it's not based on arrogance. I've said before..the number one reason we use the word is because we heard it growing up from adults sometimes and from other kids all the time.

I was trying to point out that people who use the term "pickney" say it for the exact same reason.....they are used to hearing it from people who look like them.

I guess that went over some heads and it was overlooked in the rush to state that "oh it's not the same as the N word"....

i think that some just feel more comfortable pointing out the shortcomings of others rather than seeing their own issues ..collectively this gets us nowhere

King Capo · (#35 (**permalink**))

I dont believe Nas gives two ****s about what people think. If its not your thing, keep it moving nobody is forcing it on you.100