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03-03-08, 07:24 PM
well this says alot about where the wealth is and the horrible politics
A Limey In Bermuda: Institutional racism
other stuff on racism
Citizens Uprooting Racism In Bermuda > Home Citizens Uprooting Racism in Bermuda
Think outside of the box...Think in spirit
Act as if it were impossible to fail!!!
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03-03-08, 10:47 PM
I guess thats why so many people in the rich caribbean, and Bermuda want to ''leave home''.
Bredder Tokoma, When you call us 'African' you are ignoring our history in the islands. We don't want to turn into a lost people. You probably can't speak one African language anyway.
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04-03-08, 12:34 AM
I guess thats why so many people in the rich caribbean, and Bermuda want to ''leave home''.
I guess this demonstrates the intellectual capacity of someone who calls themselves Blackchat. Careless chat is perhaps more appropiate.
Bredder Tokoma, When you call us 'African' you are ignoring our history in the islands. We don't want to turn into a lost people. You probably can't speak one African language anyway.
LOL..ignoring your history. So i suppose all those black people in Bermuda dropped from the sky did they.
African Diaspora Heritage Trail Conference
Perhaps these guys are ignoring your history as well. Carry on. This should be interesting.
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04-03-08, 12:43 AM
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I guess thats why so many people in the rich caribbean, and Bermuda want to ''leave home''.
I guess this demonstrates the intellectual capacity of someone who calls themselves Blackchat. Careless chat is perhaps more appropiate.
Bredder Tokoma, When you call us 'African' you are ignoring our history in the islands. We don't want to turn into a lost people. You probably can't speak one African language anyway.
LOL..ignoring your history. So i suppose all those black people in Bermuda dropped from the sky did they.
African Diaspora Heritage Trail Conference
Perhaps these guys are ignoring your history as well. Carry on. This should be interesting.
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I guess you never heard of sarcasm. We are a part of the African diaspora but you people are none of our people. Your a lost people point blank. Thats not of our nature. We are caribbean and island black.
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04-03-08, 12:55 AM
Who's a lost people. Who are you refering to? What the hell does "island black" mean. Anyway answer those at will. Lets hear the words of your prime minister who was kicking up a storm two years ago.. whats happened to him?
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Caribbean Net News: Bermuda's new Premier wants racial equality
Dr Brown, who was also Deputy Premier, is now the Premier of the Atlantic island after defeating Alex Scott in a battle for the leadership of the governing Progressive Labour Party last month.
A 60 year-old and physically fit physician, he defeated former Premier Scott in the party's election and now runs the country alongside Finance Minister Paula Cox who was elected Deputy Premier.
While Dr Brown and his team will be undoubtedly focused on policies which strengthen Bermuda's already solid offshore services and tourism sectors, he is also on a mission to address some of the racial problems which have adversely affected the majority black population of this conservative British dependency.
Speaking at the second African Diaspora Heritage Trail (ADHT) Conference in Bermuda in September at the Fairmont Hamilton Princess, Dr Brown said that in 2006 the government is still forced to defend policies that are aimed at empowering a majority of the population, and made to consult with representatives of the minority to reverse years of economic injustice against the majority. "Even the suggestion of a programme aimed at addressing the ills of a segment of this majority population is met by protest and accusations of undue favour," said Dr Brown, who wants to reverse the perception that "to empower black people in Bermuda is some sort of evil." About 55 percent of the Bermudian population is black and 34 percent is white. Several combinations thereof along with other groups account for the remainder.
In a frank, hard-hitting address to the conference, which attracted the likes of Nigerian Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Dr Wole Soyinka and former Ghanaian President Jerry Rawlins, Dr Brown said the history of Bermuda is one of doubt of the ability of the African and his descendants. "My people spent generations being convinced that Nobel Laureates, Ambassadors and Heads of State came in one color only and from one region alone. The effect of this has been to create in us a crisis of self-confidence. Many of my people still feel that there are some categories of work or some areas of expertise that are only for foreigners, and more importantly for foreigners of Caucasian origin," he said, affirming that the Diaspora conference serves to dispels this myth.
"Still, in my country," continued Dr Brown, "the detractors of progress for those of African descent cite the travails of Mother Africa as proof or warning against self determination. Regrettably, their jaded point of view takes hold in the minds of those who have never bothered to become versed in the history of the Continent and who might find that even the most cursory examination would reveal the pattern of successive stumbling blocks created by the colonisers to prevent the success of transition."
There is more to our African heritage than dress, fashion, changing names and hairstyles, the government leader said. “Being an African is more than those things, it is a method of thinking, it is an outlook and above all it is a sense of history.”
He paid tribute to late government minister David Allen, a white Bermudian raised in an era of legal segregation, whose vision served as the inspiration for the African Diaspora Heritage Trail. "He could never have been an African by appearance but in his heart he carried the spirit of Mother Africa often absent from people of color in the western world," said Dr Brown.
The ADHT concept educates visitors, enhances the economic viability of African Diaspora countries and conserves the essence of African descent, culture and history.
The ADHT Conference itself boosts long-term relationships between Bermuda and the Caribbean, African nations, North America and South America. It is also an opportunity for countries of the Diaspora, venues within the Diaspora and its best minds to gather annually to discuss heritage and cultural issues that affect tourism, culture, education, economic development and the improvement of the quality of life within host communities. The first conference was held in 2002.
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Well at least your prime minister is not "lost". What happened to you bro? You in exile?
All I see above is the same old problems of Africans/blacks if you may.. in the region/ indeed the world. So where is this pedestal that you place on the standard of living for black bermudians. Do they own any greater proportion of major businesses or economic interests out of any country in the region? Africa? The solar system?
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04-03-08, 01:46 PM
He might be talking about racism in Bermuda because its everywhere. But people in your group have more intra-racism, and you're not afraid to show it. Most of you just don't like one another. You're divided and unstable.We have problems with fellow blacks but not the way you do. Most people from Bermuda or rich caribbean who choose to school in britain come back home. My friend left the uk after a year and went to Canada. Your community doesn't have the appeal to keep our kind of blacks. MHO. You have too much intra-racism, between the sexes,youth.. And that doesn't even include the problems most blacks have with the different skintones,the wealthy etc. Call me what you want but I know the difference.
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04-03-08, 02:58 PM
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Who's a lost people. Who are you refering to? What the hell does "island black" mean. Anyway answer those at will. Lets hear the words of your prime minister who was kicking up a storm two years ago.. whats happened to him?
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Caribbean Net News: Bermuda's new Premier wants racial equality
Dr Brown, who was also Deputy Premier, is now the Premier of the Atlantic island after defeating Alex Scott in a battle for the leadership of the governing Progressive Labour Party last month.
A 60 year-old and physically fit physician, he defeated former Premier Scott in the party's election and now runs the country alongside Finance Minister Paula Cox who was elected Deputy Premier.
While Dr Brown and his team will be undoubtedly focused on policies which strengthen Bermuda's already solid offshore services and tourism sectors, he is also on a mission to address some of the racial problems which have adversely affected the majority black population of this conservative British dependency.
Speaking at the second African Diaspora Heritage Trail (ADHT) Conference in Bermuda in September at the Fairmont Hamilton Princess, Dr Brown said that in 2006 the government is still forced to defend policies that are aimed at empowering a majority of the population, and made to consult with representatives of the minority to reverse years of economic injustice against the majority. "Even the suggestion of a programme aimed at addressing the ills of a segment of this majority population is met by protest and accusations of undue favour," said Dr Brown, who wants to reverse the perception that "to empower black people in Bermuda is some sort of evil." About 55 percent of the Bermudian population is black and 34 percent is white. Several combinations thereof along with other groups account for the remainder.
In a frank, hard-hitting address to the conference, which attracted the likes of Nigerian Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Dr Wole Soyinka and former Ghanaian President Jerry Rawlins, Dr Brown said the history of Bermuda is one of doubt of the ability of the African and his descendants. "My people spent generations being convinced that Nobel Laureates, Ambassadors and Heads of State came in one color only and from one region alone. The effect of this has been to create in us a crisis of self-confidence. Many of my people still feel that there are some categories of work or some areas of expertise that are only for foreigners, and more importantly for foreigners of Caucasian origin," he said, affirming that the Diaspora conference serves to dispels this myth.
"Still, in my country," continued Dr Brown, "the detractors of progress for those of African descent cite the travails of Mother Africa as proof or warning against self determination. Regrettably, their jaded point of view takes hold in the minds of those who have never bothered to become versed in the history of the Continent and who might find that even the most cursory examination would reveal the pattern of successive stumbling blocks created by the colonisers to prevent the success of transition."
There is more to our African heritage than dress, fashion, changing names and hairstyles, the government leader said. “Being an African is more than those things, it is a method of thinking, it is an outlook and above all it is a sense of history.”
He paid tribute to late government minister David Allen, a white Bermudian raised in an era of legal segregation, whose vision served as the inspiration for the African Diaspora Heritage Trail. "He could never have been an African by appearance but in his heart he carried the spirit of Mother Africa often absent from people of color in the western world," said Dr Brown.
The ADHT concept educates visitors, enhances the economic viability of African Diaspora countries and conserves the essence of African descent, culture and history.
The ADHT Conference itself boosts long-term relationships between Bermuda and the Caribbean, African nations, North America and South America. It is also an opportunity for countries of the Diaspora, venues within the Diaspora and its best minds to gather annually to discuss heritage and cultural issues that affect tourism, culture, education, economic development and the improvement of the quality of life within host communities. The first conference was held in 2002.
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Well at least your prime minister is not "lost". What happened to you bro? You in exile?
All I see above is the same old problems of Africans/blacks if you may.. in the region/ indeed the world. So where is this pedestal that you place on the standard of living for black bermudians. Do they own any greater proportion of major businesses or economic interests out of any country in the region? Africa? The solar system?
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Most black bermudians consider themselve black bermudian, as in african descent. Not African, as in speaking an African language and following a contiental African culture. Just like people in the caribbean or rich caribbean. And you are ignoring our black caribbean and black island ancestors. They didn't teach us anything about coming from Africa, language or anything like that. They were force to start live over in the new world and we respect what they have created.
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04-03-08, 06:43 PM
You really are a prize jackass.
1) You dont know where Im from. So all the talk about you lot and interracial war etc. is hot air on your part. But it sure will distance you from alot of people on here.
2) You cannot tell me anything about the caribbean fool. There are plenty people who identify themselves as African in the caribbean and always will. So why not state your speaking for yourself idiot.
3) Thank god I know people from Bermuda and I hasten to add they are not blind and fool like you. Funny they dont share your point of view. Neither does your primie minister by the sounds of things.
4) Most Chinese in the Caribbean classify themselves as Chinese. However they dont speak the language and long have diluted their cultural traditions. So what does that prove? That they're not Chinese?
5) Did your black ancestors teach you Gombey dancing? Or was it the Africans?
6) Don you attend the African methodist church in your country. Why is it not called the black island church?
I got a 100 other questions but the main one is was you born so stupid or did you grow that way. Nature or nuture. Thats the question.
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Its better to keep company with a snake than a fool. I wont waste no more time with you. But thanks for at least highlighting the situation of most Africans in Bermuda and the moves your African concious leader is making to address them. Behind every cloud...
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04-03-08, 06:58 PM
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your missing the point
theres rich and theres wealthy
those so called rich places you point out can easily loose there grip and slip into poverty if they fall out with their WEALTHY controllers
AFRICA was/is the wealthy place on the globe in terms to natural resources hence its been a constant full time job of the "unknown enemy" to keep it down and under control. now this has been in the runnings from pre slavery days just undocumented.

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04-03-08, 07:28 PM
Why are you getting mad because I said bermudians, and most people in the rich caribbean don't identfiy with being African? Black yes but not African. I can tell you because I know my history. Also you don't even know where I am from. Its like you are trying to put something that is not there. As for the chinese, most of them who haven't been in the caribbean long enough still speak chinese or mandarin and see themselves as chinese. Do you know of any chinese slaves brought to the caribbean 200 yrs ago that had to make a culture of their own? I doubt it. Also the history of gombay or gombey is probably from the bahamas and went to Bermuda. Both islands had people moving back and forth. Its not a completely African celebration, although it has alot of that influence.
@Blackpower, I know countries can slip out of wealth.
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04-03-08, 09:51 PM
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1) You dont know where Im from. So all the talk about you lot and interracial war etc. is hot air on your part. But it sure will distance you from alot of people on here.
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If your from anywhere in the new world then you should hangout with some contiental Nigerians. And let them show you how African you are. Why would it distance me? Anyway thats life.
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6) Don you attend the African methodist church in your country. Why is it not called the black island church?
I got a 100 other questions but the main one is was you born so stupid or did you grow that way. Nature or nuture. Thats the question
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Its just a name because of the influence,it doesn't mean the people in the church are Africans. Just like our language and everything else its has an African influence. And yeah sure I'm the stupid one,not the guy who can't speak one word of African but yet claims to be African. If you can speak an african language or practice a religion and a african name then I will consider you an African.
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05-03-08, 06:53 PM
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If your from anywhere in the new world then you should hangout with some contiental Nigerians. And let them show you how African you are. Why would it distance me? Anyway thats life.
I do hang out with some continental Nigerians. Known them for 15 odd years. And what?
Its just a name because of the influence,it doesn't mean the people in the church are Africans. Just like our language and everything else its has an African influence. And yeah sure I'm the stupid one,not the guy who can't speak one word of African but yet claims to be African. If you can speak an african language or practice a religion and a african name then I will consider you an African.
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But its not for you to consider though is it? Listen to your prime minister my exiled friend. He speaks sense you know.
There is more to our African heritage than dress, fashion, changing names and hairstyles, the government leader said. “Being an African is more than those things, it is a method of thinking, it is an outlook and above all it is a sense of history.”
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