bear with me for a moment


9/11 shocked the u.s. out of it's complacency and it's unknown effect it has on the world, some thing no amount of pressure groups and non isolationist senators could do alone. it reaffirmed to many inward looking Americans that the u.s. is the sole 'hyper power' and with that power it has responsibilities.

it made many Americans reassess the grievances many have toward the u.s. ( much of it based on real causes ), and it cut through all the usual bullshhit spin of ' the world is just jealous ,

9/11 and the subsequent failures of iraq (and soon to be Afghanistan) caused the many previously blind and obedient, to question the lies of many institutions like the white house, CIA , the state dept etcc. .

9/11 has created a climate of political awareness for a generation of people that previously never cared which way the u.s. went. never before in it's recent history has the appetite for political books been so keen.

i'd even go so far as to say that the people that flew into those towers succeded in their aim

I’d even go so far as to say that the people that flew into those towers succeeded in their aim....


in that case 9/11 was agood thing.

i should have said in the title was '9/11 an overall good thing for america'

more people have died in homocides within the year of 9/11 than died in the towers ...aren't they martyrs to the cuase of universall enlightenment ??

disagree



Bush was re elected...there goes the theory about more political awareness

First of all, consider changing your title...ask a mod they will do it......

I know your logic is to explain what happened after 9/11 in higher order logical thinking....but U can't do that, when the result was a hell from many people. To say, that was good think is really going too far and it can be considered as hate. Was it good think for the Iraqis? Or those now in American secret prisons? 3000 who dead in New York were civilians....I don't think the death of over million people is a good.......

Maybe in 50 years when people know and can evaluate the long term effects then a meaningful answer can be had to that questiion but from my current knowledge and perspective I would say the net result is negative.

Considering that the nation that put men on the moon can't tell the entire world the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level of a building designed before the moon landing, the United States should be the laughing stock of the entire planet. Most Americans can't evaluate some grammar school physics.

But the mass media isn't bringing up such an obvious question.

um

the way people acquire info/news hasn't changed...post 911

for the most part, it's done in passive way...we allow somebody to tell us what happened instead of ACTIVELY digging.....

it's almost as scary to have somebody run up to me repeating line for line what Micheal Moore or Air America is reporting than when they were repeating what mass US media was telling them.. they aren't challenging the info or interpreting it for themselves... and that's dangerous

For example..do you know that the US basically admitted that airplane crashes could not and did not knock down the towers.

seriously....the commission designed to study the attacks ,a department of the US cabinet.. said so in the final report.

I will find the link....not a conspiracy theory or anything...THEIR own words

will post it from HOME

You're confusing two distinct things. 9/11 was an attack that left Manhattan in smoke and 3000 Americans dead. The results of which have been ridicolous restrictions on civil liberty and draconian attacks on individual freedom.

This can't be a good thing for Americans by any stretch of the imagination.



If you mean the WARS in the middle east well that's a different issue but again hardly worked out well for America. The day and weeks after 9/11 American practically had the whole world onside and ready to back them. They had massive sympathy and goodwill from allies and others. They also had a $2 trillion surplus.

Fast forward 7 years and it's $3 trillion deficit, war weariness at home, a disillusioned poplace, anti americanism damn near everywhere and a war situation that American finds itself impossible to get out of. A happy taste for torture and facism has taken hold within the agencys and has no chance of being changed now. Their army is so stretched and bogged down they couldn't even deal with a domestic disaster properly (Katrina) and let down their own citizens. At home the people who sent their soldiers to war for oil now have highergas prices (record prices) and prices of commodities has risen in response to transport costs.

How on earth has this been good for America? How has it been good for anybody?

Actually i can kind of see Mike's point..I just think he got the words and perspective wrong.... What i think is that 9/11 was a seminal moment in history, it was one of those rare pivitol periods where i think there was a real opportunity missed not just by America but by the world to use the good wil, the horror and a by-partisan global momentum to start a real global dialogue for change.....

the problem as history tells us and others have commented on is that the USA and the UK basically blew it by first taking the path of revenge instead addressing the underlining things that we all know contributed to 9/11.. not only did the alliance remake the mistakes that created 9/11 they made it worse by doing it more excessively..

First they invade and basically destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan...and i have to be honest I'm not even sure there reasoning for that was ever proven beyond doubt.... then they went that step further using the 9/11 dividend not for peace, but to settle old scores with Saddam and Iraq..

I think when the world looks back at this period objectively they will I think partly agree with Mike that 9/11 changed the somewhat naive American view on Terrorism and its own arrogance that it was somehow untouchable... it will also say in conjuction that America and the Western world essentially blew a real chance to change the world for the better by making fundermental wrong choices in dealing with the aftermath of 9/11.... instead the world is now by any standards worse now than before 9/11 with very little or no benefits to show for it...

so was it a good thing for America? Answer no! Was it a real chance missed for world change? Answer yes!!