I understand your point about the Jews and Indians but the point that I am trying to make is that THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINING the NIGERIANS ARE!

I have read all the posts and I really believe that if BA were really that bad they would not be the company they are today, after all not everyone suffers bad service and goes back again for more. BA have plenty of competition too yet they are still able to remain in business in spite of all this 'bad service'

This was posted on another board by a fellow Nigerian



One of the comments to the story on NVS- by ILN TOO
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Villagers,

Before we start playing the race card, I think it is good for us to just look introspectively at ourselves and ask ourselves what is wrong. What happened to Ayo was clearly unacceptable and I will advise him to seek redress through the appropriate legal channels. From his account, Ayo seemed to have addressed the situation in a calm, dignified and mature manner. And we must commend him for that.

But I can tell you that the behaviour of many Nigerians on international flights leaves a lot to be desired and it is very difficult not to conclude that we deserve the sort of treatment we get from foreign airlines. I am saying this because of my personal experience on a flight to Abuja.

I was on a BA flight to Abuja from Heathrow last December on my trip to Nigeria for the Christmas holidays. And there was a cacophonous din in the cabin after passengers have boarded the aircraft. It was an unedifying spectacle: quite a number of passengers had boarded the aircraft with oversized hand baggage that would not just fit into the luggage rack and it was one hell of a job for the cabin crew who were desperately trying to sort out the mess to ensure that we left on time. There were serious altercations with a lot of passengers shouting and yelling and kicking and screaming without the least concern for other passengers including yours truly whose basic right to a comfortable and peaceful flight was being infringed on. It was absolutely embarrassing as many grown up people were behaving like ill-mannered children. And the cabin crew were very helpless; you’ve just got to pity them, I just couldn’t figure out what they would be thinking. But I would not expect them to suppose, going by that embarrassing spectacle, that Nigeria is bursting with cultured and civil citizens. And the noise continued throughout the pre-flight safety briefing. There was an attempt by the cabin crew to suppress the noise but that proved hopelessly futile and they just had to get on with it despite the noise.

I regularly take the BA flights from Heathrow to Seattle Tacoma and also from Heathrow to Munich but I have never experienced anything like the rowdy behaviour of the unruly and uncouth Nigerian passengers to Abuja. As a Nigerian that was always quick to leap into the defence of Nigeria and Nigerians, I can tell you that I was absolutely disappointed at the behaviour of my compatriots. I was later told that on Lagos flights, the situation is even worse.

I can therefore empathise with the BA cabin crew when they treat us with disdain. I honestly believe it will be too much to expect to be treated respectfully and courteously when we don’t accord the same respect and courtesy to others.

Despite all that happened on that flight, I believe that the cabin crew were a lot more courteous in their dealings with passengers than what I experienced in domestic Nigerian flights. My experience was that our domestic cabin crew were uncultured, arrogant and full of nasty surprises for passengers. No one is defending the attitude of BA but with all due respect to patriotic villagers, Nigeria cannot manage an indigenous carrier, a feat achieved by the likes of Kenya and Ethiopia.

The problem is that all the 'other airlines' treat nigerians with the same level of disdain. fundamentally, it is something wrong with us and not the airlines!!!
ILN TOO – calling on all villagers to exercise some level of self introspection.


As I said what was your cousin's issue? Did he object to the fact that he had to travel with a Deportee or did he really think that the man was being manhandled?

You actually quoted one of the obnoxious comments from that poster ILN TOO i hope it wasn't you you sort of sound the same.... language and tone of arguments anythings possible on the NET.....you obviously didn't post the replies to his post moreso hes one of those that give Continental Africans a bad name with their pseudo patronage or prepondering of everything European..Trust me hes my cousin we grew up together if he didn't have a leg to stand on you think he would be making this much noise about it..as i said being a UK citizen he actualy stood up for a Nigerian brotha that alone is commendable yet some what to sterotype him like they do a average nigerian!!..i wouldn't have bothered replying but for seeing that poster you quoted...think you trying to cause some sort of raucous here but you in the wrong place mate or posting to the wrong brotha....

First of I am a woman.


I have never heard of ILN Too or know where he posts for that matter and so I was not able to read all the responses. As I said I saw the post on another Nigerian message board and kind of agreed with his sentiments about being on a
Nigerians flight to Lagos. I have been on several myself and I can relate fully.

You say your cousin stood up for a Nigerian brother and I am still at a lost as to what for? Did he have the power to stop the deportation? I have already stated that 'I go die' does not mean 'I am dying'. It means 'I will die' as in 'I will die if I am sent back to Nigeria! I have asked you what state your cousin found the deportee in yet you have conveniently dodged the question.

Since your cousin cannot state what the current condition of the deportee was, whether he had been beaten, suffocated or unduly restrained by more immigration officials than was necessary then it is my belief that he probably got up to speak because the Deportee was making too much noise and unfortunately, it backfired on him.


You should be asking yourself why the Deportee was so desperately against been sent back to Nigeria.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how this case pans out.

In the meantime I wish more Nigerians would focus their energy into protesting the Nigerian authorities about the number of plane crashes that happen within the country each year due to negligence.

plane crash Nigeria - Google Search

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/in...11nigeria.html

it is my belief that he probably got up to speak because the Deportee was making too much noise and unfortunately, it backfired on him.

True thats about what happened i'm not sure about the bit of it backfiring the man was on his way to hes bothas wedding not looking forward to any confrontation or anything that would delay him as a fee paying passenger you are well within your rights to let the crew know of any disturbances on a 6 hour flight i would have done the same all that screming and kicking off we didn't pay for that inconvenience the deportee should have been taken off the plane..
Yes the situation in Nigerian internally is lamentable and life is so cheap out there you and i know to effect change in Africa is not quite straightforward due to strong arms tactics by the govt but it would change...however this is about Africans in the Diaspora paying for a service with a reputable carrier and getting suckered in the process its clearly not a case of Nigerians misbehaving....136 booted off the plane was unprecedented.....

Asmartins,a couple of questions for you if you dont mind.You may not be able to answer them now but if you happen upon any info in the next couple of days,holla.


Firstly,what happened to the 136 passengers booted off? were they re-booked for a different BA flight?


Secondly,what kind of disciplinary action were the pilot and co-pilot subject to after this mass booting off.


I ask that second question coz I know pilots are subject to all kinds of fines up to £10,000 sometimes,which comes out of their own pockets,I only highlight this to say that a SERIOUS ruckus must have kicked off on that plane for the pilot to take that step,because he will now have to go in front of a board/panel etc,etc to explain his actions and knowing the grief that entails,I cant imagine he/she would have made that decision lightly.

And I am toally not being CRACKER ADVOCATE here but there is a certain amount of discipline that one must adhere to on a plane,this is not National Express or Greyhound bizznizz.Sometimes peeps and I mean peeps of all races get on a plane and swear they are in their effing living room,that shit aint on,ya feel me?

Have you ever been on a plane when its already airbourne and a fight has kicked off?? My Mum experienced that and she said it was of the scariest experiences of her life...this way before 9/11,,,this was like late 70's.

From the evidence presented I would say your cousin does deserve compensation,however if and it's a big IF coz I dont know for sure,only know what I have read,but IF mofo's are acting the fool on that route BA probably would be glad to be rid of those passengers,even if they lose 5 mill a year!

Did your cousin make his concerns known to the Police or to the crew? I wasn't sure about that.

Once the Police decide that they are going to arrest someone on a plane then it really has nothing to do with the airline

If the Pilot feels that the others 135 passengers were obviously too upset and riled up to fly then he had every right to order them off his plane.

I, however, do commend your cousin for being brave enough to speak out as it is not right that fare paying customer's be made to suffer a flight with someone who is obviously flying under duress.

As I said most Deportees are graceful when departing and there should be really no issue in having them travel with fare paying customers as long as they behave. Maybe your cousin should have lodged an official complaint against the airline after the flight but then again this case will probably highlight the need for the Home Office to pay out for special chartered flights instead.

Even though he was brave, I still your cousin made the wrong call on this one and I am sorry he missed his brother's wedding because of it.

Below is an article about a failed deportation order of some Nigerians from Trinidad.

The Trinidad Guardian -Online Edition Ver 2.0

" This comes in the wake of a failed deportation exercise in early June, when six Nigerian prisoners were taken off a commercial flight from Venezuela, bound for Nigeria via Spain, because of misconduct."

http//www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14986012353

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Again, in case you missed it. BA flies regularly to Jamaica, Ghana and to a host of other Caribbean and African nations with planes full of Black people...or 'Africans' as you class every black person as.

Yet one never hears of shoddy service on these flights. Why do you think that is? I would also like to mention that I, as a frequent flier to Nigeria with either BA or Virgin have never ever had any issues with the staff or service and I am sure many others haven't either.

Nigerians are well known for being difficult to deal with and as I always say, if you want to be treated with respect then you should demand it by treating others accordingly.

If one were to go into a restaurant and constantly throw abuse and make extortionate demands of the waiters and waitresses just because they happened to be paying then they shouldn't be surprised when they receive sub-par service.

let m get this

a deportee is boarding a flight to nigeria, yet he shouted the equivalent i would rather die then go back to nigeria.......doesn't make sense......why would police want to arrest a guy deprtee that wants to go to nigeria!..........nah this is the police acting like cowboys........any excuse to distress the brother, if he shouted i am going to die, it means he did feel he is going to die.....

and bollocks about nigerians acting rowdy.......try seeing english club 18-30 board the plane, god forbid if it is for a football game!

i say jog on BA! i have heard worse cases of mistreatment of black people......not all reaches the media.

Word Sooofresh!!

When our own Airlines start kicking 140 white people off our planes (and beaches and hotels), then I'll consider this nonsense being something other than them acting as they always do with us - just because they can.


I've had family sent back to Jamaica on flight to London where near enough everybody else on board was sent back with them, during the 1990's.


Who knows how often this shit happens???