Why did you lock off this thread:

David Myatt and Islam

before I even had a chance to reply to this raffy9 guy?!

These posts are important and I have a right to reply when a stalker is accusing me of all sorts of rubbish.


We have a stalker hypocrite here. It was me who made the polite initial requests for help and in virtually every instance I have been followed to these message boards and insulted by the person who is stalking me. You will notice that in most cases, my detractor is a brand new member and has presumably registered for the specific purpose of attacking my work. He has stalked me to all these different message boards (and more).

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One is prompted to ask why anyone would be so concerned about David Myatt that they would join all these message boards just to snipe at one insignificant posting amongst thousands. Why the frantically obsessive attempts to suppress two harmless links. Someone must be very frightened of what the 'Searchlight' and 'Declare Peace' articles contain.

In answer to some of the accusations made against me:

Yes I have made the same posting on different message boards the world over. That is how the internet works. If one is seeking out information, the web is a massive resource and it doesn't make sense to limit the search to my own locality. I made the same posting on different forums because that is how computers work – why type out different versions? Whilst you may not like the links I posted, they are at least demonstrably written by someone other than Myatt himself – which is perhaps what all this hostility is really about. I can't begin to imagine why you think links to texts that are clearly written by Myatt himself – or have some input from him – could ever be classed as 'independent resources'. Clearly they are not independent by any measure.

Finally, the situation regarding the 'Wikipedia' is a little more complex. There was a case recently, where a relatively well known musician had posted details about his life on Wikipedia. Due to to the interactive nature of this resource, one of his 'fans' repeatedly rewrote the entry with 'facts' which were a direct contradiction to the man's real life. The musician corrected these mistakes time and again, but his 'fan' was so persistent, that in the end the subject of the article had his life circumscribed by a stranger! It works both ways of course. If the subject of an entry is persistent enough, they can suppress information about themselves. The last I heard was that this was becoming such a problem, that certain categories of entry would lose the 'interactivity' which makes Wikipedia such a unique resource. Don't get me wrong, Wikipedia is wonderful for all uncontested areas of knowledge, but for anything contentious, I would always be concerned about missing information.

Your reply is a bit OTT me thinks.

I simply pointed out your many factual errors, in your original post (which was rather biased as well), and instead of addressing the issue of these errors, and the bias, you use of old cannard of making accusations, and resorting to argumentum ad hominem.

No one is - as you claim - "very frightened of what the 'Searchlight' and 'Declare Peace' articles contain". Why, the offending articles (which make accusations but which give no e evidence for them) are even linked from the blog aboutmyatt which I gave a link to.

Readers can make up their own minds about the matter of your original post and you reply, but I think it may interest readers of this particular forum to know that Myatt was a notorious neo-nazi, with racist views, who - after his covnersion to Islam - publicly renounced his racism and his nazi views.

"To make things perfectly clear - I reject nationalism, racism, racial separation and the ideas and concepts which underlie them and the behaviour and attitudes which accompanies a belief in them."

Raffy9,
Re- your quote:

"To make things perfectly clear - I reject nationalism, racism, racial separation and the ideas and concepts which underlie them and the behaviour and attitudes which accompanies a belief in them."



You seem to be quite 'close' to David Myatt, so perhaps you can make yourself useful here.

I discovered a posting on a racist website saying the following about Myatt:


June 2nd, 2006 #2
Rhadley

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Originally Posted by Pontiac
This is the guy who thinks we would do better if we converted to the philosophy he has invented, "the numinous way," where "honor" is more important than "race."



That story is based on old stuff - as other thread here on VNN have mentioned.

Myatt is committed to The Numinous Way, and I suggest you check out his own websites rather than relying on reports in ZOG newspapers.


Anyhow, Myatt's conversion to Islam was a tactic to fight ZOG, that's all. This is well known, even by some of his former Comrades in the NSM and Combat 18.


Check out Myatt's own site at

David Myatt: Islam - The Perfect Way of Life

and especially this article:

http://magemyatt.tripod.com/myatt_muslim.html

which is about Myatt's rejection of Islam.

Quote:

According to the latest Statement for Journalists that you issued, dated January of this year, you have committed yourself to The Numinous Way. Does this mean that you have finally abandoned Islam?

The Numinous Way is a Way of Life, and this Way is quite different from, and indeed incompatible with, Islam, especially in relation to the concepts of the folk and Nature as living-beings, and the belief that we have a duty to aid, and evolve, these living beings which are themselves but emanations of The Cosmic Being. In addition, the ethics of The Numinous Way - which establish what is right, and wrong and from which we must derive our laws - are totally different from the ethics of Islam, based as the ethics of The Numinous Way are upon personal honour, empathy. Part of this empathy is a recognition of ourselves as nexions, as a connexion between our folk, Nature and The Cosmic Being.

So yes, I am not a Muslim. I have striven to explain the fundamental differences in my essay The Theology of The Numinous Way, which is a re-write of my older essay The Theology of National-Socialism. I have re-written that essay because The Numinous Way of Folk Culture differs not only from Islam, but also from National-Socialism. For The Numinous Way does not depend on National-Socialism in any way. Rather, it is National-Socialism which depends - or should depend - on the ethics and the essence of The Numinous Way.....


There's also:

Statement by Abd al-Aziz ibn Myatt

which is Myatt's comment on the matter. End of Quote.


The poster seems very confident that his links contain evidence to support his claims, yet when I looked there was nothing in Myatt's texts to support these assertions. In addition, the vital tripod link has been deleted.
It is entirely possible that this is a malicious quote put about by these racists, but as you can see it has been there since 2006 without being challenged directly. If the quote you provide is genuine, then D. Myatt needs to refute the racist's assertions publicly and in very clear terms. It is vital that this is done directly on the racist websites themselves, so that these people can be left in no doubt as to where Mr. Myatt stands. If he does not go directly to the source of these rumours, they will always coexist in parallel to his own statements, creating confusion about his real intentions.

So raffy9, since you seem to be an authority on Myatt perhaps you can clear up this mess.

A clear statement for all to see, please.

1) Are the quotations about Myatt giving up on Islam true or false?

2)Will Myatt go to this racist message board and challenge these lies directly?

If Myatt really has rejected racism I would think he is probably less than pleased that he is being misrepresented on racist message boards in this way.

Here is the link to the posts:

David Myatt, "Numinous Way" inventor, converts to Islam - Vanguard News Network Forum

More personal opinions and assumptions from you about Myatt.


Interestingly, all you're doing is adding to the Myatt mythos and making more people curious about him, some of whom may no doubt end up being interested in and possibly influenced by his various writings.

Good work - keep it up.

So, why not take a hint and cease your ceaseless campaign. Then, it's quite possible far fewer people would know about him or get interested in him.


You might in fact be a Myatt fan in disguise (maybe even Myatt himself) posting all these messages to get people interested in the man and his writings.


BTW, Myatt's issued many public statements in the past three years denouncing his former nazi and racist views. Gee, you must have missed them all (Islamic Awakening, Sheikh Qaradawi's website, blah blah blah).

Also one of your quotes for which you give a link does not correspond to what is on the website, and that quote (which is a forgery BTW) has been bandied around before by someone else - the obsessed zionist stalker of Islamic Awakening fame - also trying to push their theory about Myatt,

Some links to give more info (and more assumptions and theories and opinions) about David Myatt:

1) About Myatt

Seems to be biased toward accepting the Julie Wright/Searchlight thesis about Myatt as Occultist

2) Abd al-Aziz ibn Myatt: The Beauty of Islam

Some of Myatt's Islamist writings

I am glad to see you have unlocked this thread again. On Wednesday the 4th it was locked, so if anyone had any information for me, they wouldn't have been able to contribute to the thread. Which is exactly what happened with the previous thread which you also locked off.

Do you have some sort problem with making any sort of reference to David Myatt on this board?

Some time ago, I read a message board post which said that David Copeland had converted to Islam. It was claimed that this happened soon after he was sentenced for the murder and maiming of innocent people in the Admiral Duncan, Brick Lane and Brixton, nail bombings. See:

down with murder inc

for the background to these atrocities.

Has anyone seen confirmation of Copeland's conversion from any independently verifiable source (newspaper report, news agency etc.)?

Incidentally, the original Searchlight link:

http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/to...t-article.html

seems to be down intermittently.

A more reliable one can be found here:

David Myatt - Searchlight article - Data Dump - Discussion Areas - New Board: www.rigorousintuition.ca/board - Message Board - Yuku
Which is part of this interesting article:

On the Job, on the Square: msg#00685