I heard of dumb-ass questions...but this one takes the cake.

Le Moor - my friend, if the debates on these forums are anything to go by then I have to say I now truly believe that only the washer of the brain can un-wash it but then in my mind it's like I still have to sit on the fence because they day I say I truly believe what I think I truly believe is the day all the women of the races of the world are up for grabs LOL

But on a serious note, we live in times were everything is about finance and finacial security so what we have now is the effects and legacy of slavery are in a state known as BER - Beyond Economical Repair.

But one thing is for sure, the damage done by slavery will always remain irreparable as long as the victims of slavery are continually made to look like they were guilty for causing their own victimisation. With this in mind, do not underestimate the power of the message Toyin sent to Blair and Elizabeth in the Abbey!

In short no...The current mode of production is crippling us...Beyond repair? That is defeatest talk.

You would do well to stop periodically stalking me, trying to get revenge, its not a good look.

I happen to think its an honest question which deserves an honest answer. So instead of acting like a bitter and twisted likkle friar, why not elaborate on your views instead.....

I tend to agree, but i'd be lying if i didn't say that mainly this feels like nothing other than blind optimism.

Another concept is the time it will take to repair, that duration can also render the achievement as futile, things like the next ice age and the detah of the burning sun are measured in those timescales.

Indeed debate amongst a certain crowd and there's enough perspective to suggest we have simply resorted to the lives we were living before we were enslaved and our only saviour is to actually be enslaved again....yep, for our own good.

i was just gonna say "no". but then i thought your thread deserved more words

Africa will rise from the ashes and develop faster than any nation to date when the time is right, the Chinese will visit to take notes. Our concern and feelings of defeatism in regards to our current situation will turn into Nationalism backed with an urgency, a certain, 'never again' sounded to heavy drum beats will see the Black Nation rise as never before, ready to take back whatever we are owed.

At the moment we lack a vision... something a peoples should never loose sight of for fear that future generations loose sight of themselves.

Joking aside.

I don't think its slavery. I think the same attributes that existed in us which allowed us to be pimped out to the Arabs and the Caucasians has existed for a long time...and still exist today.

I'm talking about putting trust in others whilst distrusting ourselves
bickering over minor issues whilst ignoring the bigger dangers etc. etc.

stick-upKid - that reality slowly dawns on you, it's the only thing that would explain everything i.e. that we have always been this way....it's only pride that dictates to me that seeing eye to eye with this belief would be the easy way out. some would say foolish pride.

NO! The slavery is in the individuals head now.

Why can't we come at this from a positive angle?

Our race have survived centuries of attempted genocide and 'STILL WE RISE'!

We need to pull together - but we still don't appear to trust or support our own.

I ain't blaming no-one, no race, no nation ,no more.
I acknowledge my history and move on up - cos I am not a victim!

Put it this way - No human is beyond repair - unless he is dead!

Or as good as dead i.e. brainwashed or a cabbage.

What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?

Langston Hughes


Le Moor,

Slavery crippled a lot of us. That what it was supposed to do wasn't it?

But we survived because not all of us lost our minds, our culture, our sense of Africanness - our dreams of freedom.

But lets be honest about Slavery, too many of us know little about The Maafa. There are Africans who could tell you more about the premiership football league battles or all of the previous contestants of Big Brother in detail down to their shoe sizes, than could tell you 2 ethnic African groups that were enslaved, over the centuries of genocide that transported their African ancestors to the Americas.

How important is this?

Well what informs our reality is our perception of the past. If we know of our past and how we have struggled, what has been, who has being important to us, we will have a reality that is based on our interests, our history, culture etc. Our mind will be our mind; free, and under our control. To brainwash someone, often you make them forget their reality - you make them become someone they are not. After a while, they will have a "new reality". A "Modern" one.



We come from a reality where Africans were routinely:
Burnt
Raped (Both male and female)
Limbs cut off
Tongues cut out
Foetuses cut from pregnant African bellies
Languages stripped from us
Histories forgotten
Slavemaster imposed Gods, thrust into our people's minds and soul


Lets stop here because this list of atrocities would not stop....... and remember this went on thru generations......



Africans resisted all of this, hence why we can discuss our history in forums such as BNV, but how has this resistance manifested itself in the lives of our people?

For me Marcus Garvey's movement represented that continous African will of self-determination, that has it's roots firmly in our opposition to enslavement. The fact Garvey's movement, is the greatest overt example of Pan Africanism to date, then allows us to reflect not only on that movements faillings, but the historical legacies that hindered Africans realising that their own freedom lies with themselves and themselves only; nothing and nobodyelse is going to give us liberation, we will have to take it ourselves.

Today we find Africans who are ashamed to be connected to their ancestors who struggled through centur