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23-06-08, 08:06 AM
BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | Windrush celebrations on Thames
I see that the landing of the MV windrush is being celebrated in London today.....
Questions..
Will you be celebrating this BRITISH landmark?
Are we better or worse off today than our parents who came in 50's 60's?
Where to now for the decendants of the Windrush generation...?
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24-06-08, 01:36 AM
This is a good point. I'm gratefull that my parents came over because if they did,nt i would,nt be here now,but then again my parents generation are of that colonialised mindset ,my dad thinks the uk is the best country in the world ,my mom well she,s just confused .Personally i tend to think that nothing has changed now that its like 2 or 3 generations later ,black folks that were born in the uk still have no sense of identity.
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24-06-08, 10:51 AM
Slightly off topic but as part of the report there was a Jamaican man who said he came over here with just the shirt on his back. He then built up a 500 property empire in London and has now gone back to Jamaica where he is building the largest property complex in the West Indies. Will try to find the link.
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24-06-08, 12:16 PM
Where would we be if we had stayed in the Carribean?
I wanted to know if the Dagara elders could tell the diffrence between fiction and reality. The elders did not understand what a starship is, they did not understand what the fussy uniforms had to do with anything but they recognized in Spock a Kontomble of the seventh planet... they had never seen a Kontomble that big.
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24-06-08, 07:23 PM
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Where would we be if we had stayed in the Carribean?
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isn't that like saying where would we have been if we had NOT been Slaves? Hmmmmm
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24-06-08, 08:40 PM
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bbc4 have a 60th anniversary ceebration series on at the mo
todays documentary tackles intolerance there are 2 more shows in the series
todays covers This episode begins with the 1958 Notting Hill riots and talks about the importance of the church for many West Indian families, the rise of black political activists, including footage of Malcolm X giving a speech at the Oxford Union and the Caribbean influence on the music industry
there is a show on every day
see link for more info
BBC - BBC Four - Listings
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24-06-08, 08:44 PM
Man I been watching some reruns about the windrush and our parents went through hell, it's sad to see how much of it looks like it has come to nothing.
Also the white women, most of the first toland from the caribbean were single black men and these women still had the courage to give them some loving.
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24-06-08, 10:36 PM
Although we had made strides, overall West Indians have underachieved since WR.
Biggest reason for this imo is that our culture since arriving, has proven to be too weak to withstand the negatives that mixing with European cultures can bring. This has resulted in the breakdown of our family units and unification within our communities.
Windrush children have also underachieved academically with too few of us entering prfofessions after further education. WR parents have a certain responsibility here as even though the class and IR system would never naturally benefit us, our parents were perhaps not strict enough in this area.
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24-06-08, 10:58 PM
Where would we be if we had stayed in the Carribean?
Not of Caribbean heritage nevertheless find this statement quite absurd and coming from you @Black Lion of all people....the Caribbean is one of the most beautiful places on earth..I tell you enough so called disillusioned black brits would have been more productive and would have prospered in the Caribbean..I wonder what the stats would be in terms of success when comparisms are drawn between those that came with the Windrush and those that stayed in the Caribbean...my gut feelings would be Continental Caribbeans....with all the problems that go on there they still in tune culturally-morally and spiritually as long as the USA stops bombarding them with cheap filth and weapons
one will need a bigger lie to cover the first one
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24-06-08, 11:20 PM
You know what gets me...The Windrush wasn't the only ship that docked from the Caribbean that day, week, month, year.
It continues to be newsworthy and now part of Caribbean/British history because the BBC happened to archive it.
If we do not have an accurate analysis of the problem, we cannot possibly develop a good strategy to resolve it.
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25-06-08, 12:15 PM
Agree with Le Moore, our culture hasn't survived the cross over too well perhaps, was always going to be difficult taking up residence here. Wonder if those of us who chose to move to the States or even Canada are or have done better for themselves in comparison?
Can't say some of us haven't been successful and its only been a few years, we've made ground in the property market and are culturally dominant (for better or for worse), couldn't have passed a car full of greek kids bouncing to bashment and not taken note of that... their parents generation were bopping to reggae along with you lot. .lol. Quite a few quality resteraunts have been springing up over the past few years as well, might need more on the menu but its good to see we're in on the take away market. Just need to pool it all together some more, hold focused networking events, dinners and so on. We have our success stories.
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Not of Caribbean heritage nevertheless find this statement quite absurd and coming from you @Black Lion of all people.
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Make my fair share of misinformed posts and comments thank you very much.... and I think we'd be, ''worse'' off as we wouldn't have the access to certain things we now take for granted in these countries, only the older generations seem happy to move back, us british born lot don't seem to be too happy to do so, not even sure many of us even consider it.
I wanted to know if the Dagara elders could tell the diffrence between fiction and reality. The elders did not understand what a starship is, they did not understand what the fussy uniforms had to do with anything but they recognized in Spock a Kontomble of the seventh planet... they had never seen a Kontomble that big.
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26-06-08, 10:55 AM
i saw an interesting bbc3 programme yesterday about something that i didn't even know about... i knew about the 13 black children that had died in the new cross fire roughly three decades ago, but i didn't know about the march in central london to protest at the establishments indifferent response.
the march was to protest the lack of importance white britain , including the queen and government showed.... i was going to say that i was ashamed that i didn't know about it but then i remebered the white medias spin on the protest, the racist spin on it...
reality is 9/10 a state of mind ....iam black, and ethereal
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