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26-06-08, 06:40 PM

Anatole Broyard (CBS)
(CBS) <!-- sphereit start -->For 23 years Bliss Broyard was white, living in tony Greenwich, Conn., isolated from people of color and influenced by the racial attitudes of her surroundings, reports CBS News' Russ Mitchell.
Asked if she used to tell black jokes, Broyard said:
"I did, in high school and it's a very painful memory looking back now. There was a student, an African-American student who was sitting at the table who got up and left and I felt horrible about it and kept wanting to apologize to him but never did."
Her life was based on a secret held by her father, Anatole Broyard, who died in 1990. He was the influential book critic for the New York Times for 18 years.
"I think my father, as a consequence, cut himself off from his family and history, and I think he suffered for that," said Broyard.
Anatole Broyard was Creole, born in 1920. His light-skinned parents, the children of free blacks, moved from New Orleans to Brooklyn, New York, where during the Depression they passed as white to get work.
Anatole's internal conflict began as a teenager, even wrestling with how to identify himself on a social security card application. But after passing as a white officer in World War II, he came home to be a writer, and for him that meant leaving his family and racial history behind.
"He would have, he had one of the most powerful jobs in publishing," said Broyard when asked if her father would have opened doors for many people if he had announced his racial makeup. "And he could have launched a number of black careers and he didn't, and some people think he was more harsh on black writers, so you know there is a very fine line between self preservation and selfishness."
Fast Fact
By 1950, it was estimated 28 million Americans who identified themselves as white had black ancestry.
"One Drop," Bliss Broyard's new book, chronicles her father's failure to tell her and her brother about his racial identity and how they had to learn the news from their mother only weeks before he died.
"It's amazing because we're the people that are closest to him and the secret was about us too," said Broyard.
And, she says, one that has had lasting consequences.
"I was really angry at him and one of the hardest things, his immediate family his sister and cousin, it's been very, very hard to repair that rift," said Broyard.
Historically, Broyard's secret was not unique. According to an Ohio State study published in the late 1950s, the number of fair-skinned blacks crossing the color line between 1861 and 1950 grew from 3,000 a year to more than 15,000 a year. And by the trend's peak in 1950, it was estimated 28 million Americans who identified themselves as white had black ancestry.
"Well I know some, in my own family, really I do," said Broyard when asked if she thinks people are still passing today. "People pass in lots of ways, people pass by class all the time. They pretend they are more wealthy than they are."
When asked how she thought her father would have reacted to her book, Broyard said:
"I think he would be happy that he couldn't deal with this secret in his own life but still have the job he had and lived the way he wanted, but I can."
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26-06-08, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DSP

Anatole Broyard (CBS)
(CBS) <!-- sphereit start -->For 23 years Bliss Broyard was white, living in tony Greenwich, Conn., isolated from people of color and influenced by the racial attitudes of her surroundings, reports CBS News' Russ Mitchell.
Asked if she used to tell black jokes, Broyard said:
"I did, in high school and it's a very painful memory looking back now. There was a student, an African-American student who was sitting at the table who got up and left and I felt horrible about it and kept wanting to apologize to him but never did."
Her life was based on a secret held by her father, Anatole Broyard, who died in 1990. He was the influential book critic for the New York Times for 18 years.
"I think my father, as a consequence, cut himself off from his family and history, and I think he suffered for that," said Broyard.
Anatole Broyard was Creole, born in 1920. His light-skinned parents, the children of free blacks, moved from New Orleans to Brooklyn, New York, where during the Depression they passed as white to get work.
Anatole's internal conflict began as a teenager, even wrestling with how to identify himself on a social security card application. But after passing as a white officer in World War II, he came home to be a writer, and for him that meant leaving his family and racial history behind.
"He would have, he had one of the most powerful jobs in publishing," said Broyard when asked if her father would have opened doors for many people if he had announced his racial makeup. "And he could have launched a number of black careers and he didn't, and some people think he was more harsh on black writers, so you know there is a very fine line between self preservation and selfishness."
Fast Fact
By 1950, it was estimated 28 million Americans who identified themselves as white had black ancestry.
"One Drop," Bliss Broyard's new book, chronicles her father's failure to tell her and her brother about his racial identity and how they had to learn the news from their mother only weeks before he died.
"It's amazing because we're the people that are closest to him and the secret was about us too," said Broyard.
And, she says, one that has had lasting consequences.
"I was really angry at him and one of the hardest things, his immediate family his sister and cousin, it's been very, very hard to repair that rift," said Broyard.
Historically, Broyard's secret was not unique. According to an Ohio State study published in the late 1950s, the number of fair-skinned blacks crossing the color line between 1861 and 1950 grew from 3,000 a year to more than 15,000 a year. And by the trend's peak in 1950, it was estimated 28 million Americans who identified themselves as white had black ancestry.
"Well I know some, in my own family, really I do," said Broyard when asked if she thinks people are still passing today. "People pass in lots of ways, people pass by class all the time. They pretend they are more wealthy than they are."
When asked how she thought her father would have reacted to her book, Broyard said:
"I think he would be happy that he couldn't deal with this secret in his own life but still have the job he had and lived the way he wanted, but I can."
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Where did you find this rubbish?
Crappy aside have you ever read anything by J. A. Rogers?
If we do not have an accurate analysis of the problem, we cannot possibly develop a good strategy to resolve it.
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27-06-08, 12:06 AM
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Where did you find this rubbish?
Crappy aside have you ever read anything by J. A. Rogers?
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lol no.. recommendations?
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27-06-08, 12:19 AM
Anatole Broyard married a white Norwegian woman. I have also read that Anatole Broyard had along with his African ancestry quite a mixed ancestry as well. I don't really know what is true though and what is not true though with some of the stuff you can read online. There is quite a lot of stuff on this if you google that mans name.
Anatole Broyard - Google Search=
It is an interesting topic though.
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27-06-08, 02:09 AM
hmmmm
well...
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"Rules of Passing" according to Larence Otis Graham. Author of Our Kind of People {Inside America's Black Upper Class}

http://www.socioweb.com/sociology-bo...ok/0060984384/
1. Passing will be easier if you attempt it while away at college, preferably
on a campus that is predominately white and is located in a small rural town.
2. Relocate to a new community that insulates you from interacting with
blacks and that is at least a few hundreds miles from your family's home.
3. Avoid cities like New Orleans and Charleston, where whites are adept at spotting light-skinned blacks who are passing.
4. Realize that blacks - and not whites - are the ones who can threaten your security as a black person living a lie.
5. Avoid meaningful interaction with black people. Affluent blacks who
understand the "passing" phenomenon and may try to "out" you are particularly dangerous.
6. Recognize the physical features that can undermine your new identity.
Avoid getting tanned at the beach. If your hair is not straight, keep it
short, wear a hairpiece, or maintain weekly touchups.
7. Avoid the appearance of being secretive about your racial identity.
8. If your physical appearance makes it possible, claim to be of white
European background.
If you have a darker complexion, claim to be a mixture that includes white European background (e.g., Irish, Dutch, German, Polish) and a darker European or Middle Eastern (e.g., Greek, Cuban, Lebanese, Portuguese)
9. Never claim any ethnic group from continental Africa or Mexico or Central
America.
10. Change your last name to one that is not associated with black family
names. Avoid such surnames as Jones, Jackson, Johnson, Williams, Thomas, and
Brown.
11. Re-create your family tree by describing yourself as an only child born
of parents who died years ago, and who were also only children.
12. Think of some manner in which to "kill yourself off" in the minds of
black people who know you and your family. If your parents or siblings are
willing participants in assisting you, they can say that you now live outside
the country, that you have entered a cult or religious order, or even that
you have died.
13. Develop associations with organizations and institutions that will
buttress your new white "resume." Convert to the Presbyterian Church or the
Republican Party. Contribute to charities like the Junior League or the
Daughters of the American Revolution.
14. Realize that no one in your life (including a spouse) should be trusted
with your secret, except for your adult-aged child, who presumably, will
maintain secrecy because of his or her own self-interest in living as a white
person.
15. Avoid high-profile people positions or admission into selective clubs or
lineage-obsessed institutions like secret societies or prestigious co-op
boards, so that you will not be subjected to probing questions and searches.
16. Avoid sitting with or being photographed with black people because if you
have any vaguely black features, those characteristics will be exaggerated
and suddenly make you seem quite similar to "real blacks" standing near you.
The similarities will quickly become obvious to all.
17. If black relatives you have "divorced" are unwilling to support your
efforts, make a complete break from them, because they can too easily undo the facade you have created in your new community and new life.
18. To avoid the risk of giving birth to a "throwback child" with black
features, consider adopting a white child.
19. If having your own child is a priority to you, you will be better able to
explain you child's dark features if your spouse is a member of a
dark-skinned ethnic group. Southern Italians, Greeks, Armenians, Brazilians,
and Cubans are among the groups that fit this category.
20. If the members of the black family you have "divorced" are willing to
support your efforts to "pass," always meet them on neutral territory where
neither you nor they live, work, or socialize. Never meet them at your home
and never in settings that are predominately white or that are places your
white acquaintances might frequent.
21. Enhance those physical features that can support your new identity.
Lightening your hair color, narrowing your nose, thinning your lips,
adopting a more conservative style in clothing and speech are all simple
steps that can aid your transition.
lol also check out this messageboard:
OneDropRule.org
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27-06-08, 02:49 PM
LOL.
dang long sycophantic identity list. my grandmother always said being white is a job in itself. now i believe her completely.
LOL.
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27-06-08, 02:54 PM
anyone watch "What Women Want" with Mel Gibson? the comments he makes when attempting to do what womenn do to make themselves attractive to men, like waxing their legs (painful - and they do the other leg too? LOL) come to mind about passing for white...
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27-06-08, 03:10 PM
Such a big secret that it took him months to gather himself over it to the point where his wife had to explain... hes part black.
Expect that they had to console him afterward, hold his hand and tell him that its ok, that they had always wondered why their hair was so frizzy and difficult to manage, probably had to sit around and decide what to tell their friends, how to break the news to their neighbors.
Tough times.
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Far Eastern words of wisdom
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27-06-08, 07:07 PM
probably making less of it than it really is, i mean, it is some serious stuff for some. a lot of issues to contend with.
i remember back in the day i was a youth, there were just a handful of blacks in western Europe. sometimes whites would reach for my hair on the bus (?), way back before most who come on here were even born. we were so few you actually greeted the first black person you saw... LOL. i remember once a white person asked whether i "hate being black". could not believe that this was the impression, but then again when you discover the lengths some people go to escape the fact...
i watched a feature film about some dude passing for white, and in this film the whole thing took on a whole new meaning. it was serious, deep, psychological, American (Hollywood) style, but COME ON! it cannot be that bad being black, can it, even when you live in a white dominated world where you are forcibly classed second rate human?
maybe for the sake of sharing in white privilege, but then again why would you bother with such privilege when it is plain somebody, who is obviously white, is merely being a prick in maintaining such a system. there is an element of self defeat in that, an element of affront too that should make that nasty, selfish, evil person repulsive, that in itself should drive you away from the very idea of looking like him/her...
the things these people attempting to pass for another race had/have to go through, coupled with the odds life throws at you, that's like putting on some racial straitjacket just to get a better deal in life.
anyhow, it is all in the beholder's eyes. it is about issues outside and between the ears.
it's not worth it in the long run, IMO. it is darn right laughable, in fact.
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27-06-08, 08:56 PM
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Eh? Since when was Cuba in the Middle East or Europe? *SMH at the ignorance*
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05-07-08, 12:30 PM
YES, IT CAN BE V ERY CHALLENGING BEING BLACK IN THE US. EVEN WITH ALL THE "AMERICAN IDOL" SHOWS AND ALL. I AM VER YSENSITIVE TO RACISM BECAUSE I HAVE DEALT WITH IT PREOMINANTLY IN MY FORMATIVE YEARS. YOU WAKE UP AND YOU GO OUT AND YOU KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT AND TIME SOMEONE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU "THAT LOOK" THAT YOU ARE NOT WANTED AROUND. YOU ARE FOLLOWED THROUGH SOME STORES, WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO SHOP. WHEN YOU PAY FOR SOMETHING AND YOUR HAND TOUCHES A NONBLACK PERSON, THEY WIPE THEIR HANDS OFF AND THEN PLACE YOUR CHANGE ON THE COUNTER.
THIS HAPPENED THE MAJORITY OF PLACES I HAVE BEEN AND I HAVE STILL EXPERIENCED THE ABOVMENTIONED SITUATIONS TIL THIS DAY.
OR OTHERS WILL START TALKING SLANG TO YOU, THINKING THAT EVERY BLACK PERSON SAYS, "YO, WHAT UP?"
ONCE, I WENT INTO A STORE IN QUEENS, NY AND THE STORE WAS OWNED BY HASIDIC JEWS. I WENT TO PURCHASE A PHONE CARD AND I SELECTED MY PHONE CARD AND WAITED TO BE WAITED ON. HOWEVER, THERE WERE THREE HASIDIC JEWISH MEN WHO CAME INTO THE STORE, IMMEDIATELY THEY ASSISTED THEM AND STILL DID NOT ASK ME FOR HELP NOR DID THEY TRY TO TAKE MY MONEY.
FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, THESE MEN WERE NOT SUPPOSE TO TOUCH ANOTHER WOMAN, BUT IF THEY OPEN A BUSINESS THEY SHOULD TREAT CUSTOMERS ALIKE. WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S SOME TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION?
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