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01-07-08, 10:06 PM
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Oprah's roots are Sierra Leonnean. She was on the PBS 'African American Lives' with Louis Gates and he showed her records of this.
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These kind of statements are hilarious to me. No Afrikan-Americans can claim to be of any of the present nations in Afrika because none of them even existed before European colonization with only Ethiopia as the exception. The majority of Oprah's DNA is certainly West Afrikan, which probably traces back to the nation-klans who mostly reside in Sierre Leone today. However, you could probably find those same tribes/klans in other West Afrikan countries just with less significant numbers.
Now Oprah can still have majority West Afrikan DNA and still have a most ancient maternal ancestor amongst the Zulu, if people actually understand what DNA is.
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01-07-08, 10:11 PM
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I said he weakened the west Africa connection because he said MOST AA are from Southern Africa as opposed to a few or some. That is the weakening point. Alot of black people do that, you know it.
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Wow...that is pretty pathetic. How about you look back at my posts of dispute and you will find the word "some". I never said most...as you again put words in peoples mouth in attempt to validate your specious points. Well, at least you are consistent.
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01-07-08, 10:47 PM
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Wow...that is pretty pathetic. How about you look back at my posts of dispute and you will find the word "some". I never said most...as you again put words in peoples mouth in attempt to validate your specious points. Well, at least you are consistent.
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LOL when you consistently post bullshit with such a strong odor you can't help but notice. The smoke and mirrors dna explaination is irrelevant to the implications you came of as conveying.
Nothing to do with my ego, because I don't have one.
At least this time you didn't run and hide up under another mans crotches.
I'll give you some benefit and say that maybe I understood it differently.....
[charles barkley]but I doubt it[/charles barkley]
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02-07-08, 02:36 AM
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LOL when you consistently post bullshit with such a strong odor you can't help but notice. The smoke and mirrors dna explaination is irrelevant to the implications you came of as conveying.
Nothing to do with my ego, because I don't have one.
At least this time you didn't run and hide up under another mans crotches.
I'll give you some benefit and say that maybe I understood it differently.....
[charles barkley]but I doubt it[/charles barkley]
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I can't help that you're slow and can't even read...so run off some where...
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02-07-08, 03:50 AM
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Lol......I know what you mean, flat at the back........lol
I understand that many Americans in general are not exposed to other nationalities, but even still you have to be aware of your own lack of information about others. Dont defend misinformation when its exposed at least.
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LOL....many and I mean MANY (not you in particular) non AAs show their complete ignorance about AAs everyday on here from assumptions and this ignorance is defended to death because of views of the media, brief visits, and entertainers.
At least these poor AA people have an excuse as many do not have access to the information due to having to survive everyday from single digit age. BUT What about the many non AAs who make the same generalizations who are supposedly book and internet savvy? What is there excuse?
How can I sit back and judge a child or for that matter an adult from the African Continent who does not have access to the internet or current information who has never seen an AA? Someone with logic should be able to defend this person for having their preconceived ideas on AAs because again. At least like the poor AAs, they would have an excuse......
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02-07-08, 03:57 AM
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I can't help that you're slow and can't even read...so run off some where...
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LOL he said run off somewhere.. haaaaaa my lungs
skimming over bullshit is not being slow, just my consistent(as you mentioned) common sense.
Here's a goal for you
Post less bullshit or at least make it strong believable bullshit and not the weak kind that comes from an upset stomach
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02-07-08, 09:31 AM
@ Safetyblitz, ignorance is ignorance, it doesn't matter which mind it stems from.
I think that people tend to make generalisations based on their actual experiences, yes, but I think its a whole different ballgame to base opinions on groups of people you have maybe have not had much contact with, or a continent you have never actually visited. Then speak with some type of authority on how they generally look like.
The claim that a Black African does not look African but looks AA is to be totally in denial about where if fact the AA get their non European physical features from in the first place.
Surely, it would be Kelly who has taken favor of a type of African feature, not the other way round.
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02-07-08, 10:56 AM
Tend to find that most of us diasporans as mixed African peoples have a similar look, mixed as in from various places on the continent rather than from any specific region same on the continent as well as off of it.
With the migrations south from the Arabs invasion in the north it can be difficult to place where everyone is from, obviously most are from west africa but we are from all over the place, probably less to the South of Africa.
Can also tell where people are from on the continent can sometimes tell what island people are from in the carrib from their accent, proud to say that I look Jamaican .lol. leads me to believe that many of us have the same linage as I do.
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02-07-08, 12:36 PM
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LOL he said run off somewhere.. haaaaaa my lungs
skimming over bullshit is not being slow, just my consistent(as you mentioned) common sense.
Here's a goal for you
Post less bullshit or at least make it strong believable bullshit and not the weak kind that comes from an upset stomach
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LOL...I give you a scientific explanation about DNA and you say you were skimming over "bullshyt". You are a retard, so I'm not about to argue with you about something you just don't understand. If you want to be intrepidly ignorant, then do it with someone else. So again...go away!
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02-07-08, 02:30 PM
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@ Safetyblitz, ignorance is ignorance, it doesn't matter which mind it stems from.
I think that people tend to make generalisations based on their actual experiences, yes, but I think its a whole different ballgame to base opinions on groups of people you have maybe have not had much contact with, or a continent you have never actually visited. Then speak with some type of authority on how they generally look like.
The claim that a Black African does not look African but looks AA is to be totally in denial about where if fact the AA get their non European physical features from in the first place.
Surely, it would be Kelly who has taken favor of a type of African feature, not the other way round.
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Which goes right back to what I was saying.......most AAs do not know what an African looks like seeing as the only time in length they show an African is a starving child who cannot be fed by his mother (who they show starving as well). Africans are not shown living day to day. They are just shown starving or fighting and sometimes both on television. You can ask any Continental African that stays here that much and they will tell you about the HARD negative slant towards making any connection with Africa from the US media.
Unlike you guys in Europe who can tie a nationality back to a Caribbean island or an African nation, the majority of AAs cannot do this and have no interaction with Africans who are not in great abundance here, especially outside of the coastal states. So there is no personal push to go and make the connection because there is not family connection because again this goes back to understanding AAs and the severely cut ties that are slowly tying back to Africa.
Even if we go back and look at the thread, the guy or gal who said this seems to have made a personal revelation. There was no total denial as you say. There seems to be more of a "Wow, I never knew these people were just like me"
Which is why I state again that for most people to even make a comment on this, if they knew as much about AAs as they seemingly purport to, would know that this was not an attack, but a revelation due to the African ties cut, brainwashed, and in some cases beaten out of generations of Africans.
Why do I say this? Because to be honest with you, growing up I never had time to think about what an African looks like. The media and television only showed me Africans starving and Africans almost naked with spears living in huts. We never saw Africans living in a brick and mortar house. Our books only showed Shaka Zulu or Europeans greeting Africans again with animal skins on barefoot with a spear. On a level we all know our ancestors were taken from Africa for slavery, but on that same level, this is as far as the connect with Africa goes because the majority of us do not "see" an African or a Caribbean for that matter everyday.
Until I went to Somalia and saw the kids there, that is when I made the connection that the kids in that turmoil were just like us back home. The western blinders just fell off because for a chance in my life, I had an opportunity to see something for myself that was not tainted or prescreened by another. These kids were just like me. Even the warring factions were just like my people back at home. A revelation that apparently is not understood by people who have roots they can trace.
This is all I have to say on this thread, because I doubt anyone that outside of the US can truly understand the hard disconnect between AAs and Africa.
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02-07-08, 02:59 PM
@ safetyblitz, I totally agree with your point about people not being exposed. Then it should lead that person to be open to the fact that they are rather uninformed about a subject, rather than to push their ignorance as an authority.
Its would have been a better response from the poster to say to him/herself, "I didn't know Africans on the continent too have these features" rather than to say that this person DOES NOT look like an African.
Rather, you take on the new information to expand on the little you may know.
You are right though, we all do it from time to time.
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02-07-08, 07:38 PM
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LOL...I give you a scientific explanation about DNA and you say you were skimming over "bullshyt". You are a retard, so I'm not about to argue with you about something you just don't understand. If you want to be intrepidly ignorant, then do it with someone else. So again...go away!
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lol look who's ego tripping.
Plenty 'scientific' explainations are bullshit
Combine that with your quirky/creepy narcissistic delivery and it makes excessive and annoying.
You unneccessarily went out of your way to go into extra detail about dna to give yourself an 'intellectual' appearance while reaching for straws, instead of making a direct point, then project ignorance on me for keeping my points simple. You're real obvious(as usual).
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