Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I have started a new thread because we were getting a little long, and I wanted to go off in a slightly different direction, and not have it get lost.



I was happily reading the posts when I came across this passage by Safety “I don't believe Jesus was African either but a Hebrew plain and simple�. That’s when I realized that no one had read or even looked at the book that I had suggested.



In the AA community there is a saying “each one teach one� the logic here is that as we share knowledge and understanding amongst ourselves, we will build up a pool of knowledge that will serve as a bulwark against the forces that seek to destroy our Blackness. If you wonder why anyone would want to destroy our Blackness, that enlightenment awaits you.



You will all recall that I originally came to this board looking for people to discuss the contents of a new book that I had just read “Ancient man and his first civilizations� and I shared some of the contents with you. I went away thinking: after they finish reading that, we will really have some fruitful discussions. Silly me, I thought that because of our decidedly unenviable position in the world, most Black people would have a genuine thirst for anything that would shed a positive light on our past, and provide some understanding of what Black really is.





Being a somewhat analytical person, I started to wonder why you-all didn’t pick up on my drift. And I thought: maybe it’s because I didn’t try to hype it or in some way try to get people excited about it. I know that AA’s require that sort of thing, but do ALL Black people? I thought about it, and decided no. Perhaps the cause goes deeper and is much more subtle. Then I started to wonder, how much of this is the result of diminished expectations simply because we are Black, after all, in the whole world there is plenty of evidence suggesting our inferiority.



Perhaps you, like I, have seen and heard the Looney’s on the soapboxes, talking about the great Black this or great Black that. And while it sounds good, and we want to believe it, our minds go to Africa and we think, no way, or we think of the Egyptians, and we think: Ya there’re Africans but they look more like Arabs than like me, and so we move on. Well even blowhard Looney’s can stumble upon a little truth, though they may not know the real story, they can still spout a little truth. So those of you who looked at Africa and thought - no way, you were only half right.



And that got me thinking about how much of our self-image is based on the land of our ancestors – Africa. And how, try as we might, it always comes up wanting. I read a post on another thread about how a posters Jamaican parents weren’t happy when it was decided that they were Africans. It seemed to me, we, or at least me, needs to come to terms with Africa. And that’s just what I’m going to do, come along if you wish. (Some may call this a venting – that’s ok too).



I will explain what I mean, but in order to do that, I will have to give you some personal information about myself, so that you will understand where I am coming from. From the time that I was a small boy, my Father would tell me stories of how things were in South Africa, (he traveled there often). And from that time, I always thought: when I grow up, I will go to South Africa and help drive those wicked white people into the Sea. Unfortunately, just as I became a man, another little war called me, and I had little choice but to go.



Upon returning home, I used the benefits afforded me because of my military service to attend college. In college, I took anthropology as my minor – I always had an interest in that sort of thing. Naturally one of the classes I took was African anthropology, and I learned about the great Zulu warriors and others.



Then they taught me about the great king of Timbuktu, Manse Musa. And how on his pilgrimage to Mecca, he had a vast caravan laden with gold, and how he gave this vast quantity of gold away to the people he passed on his way to Mecca. Of course I was greatly impressed by this great Black King with all that wealth.



But one little piece of information that my white professor gave to me was of the greatest value. That is, at the end of the Egypt section, she mentioned to me that the current inhabitants of Egypt weren’t the same as the ones that we had been studying, which got me thinking. And the interest and curiosity sparked by that little tidbit has always stayed with me.



Then I started having children, and as adolescents, they enjoyed watching what are called educational programs on T.V. Problem was, these programs were more racist propaganda than anything else, you see, they portrayed the ancient people as white, or near-white people. That’s fine for white children, but devastating for Black children. They were being slowly and subtly marginalized and didn’t even know it.



With that in mind, I decided to do my own research and provide my children with a truer understanding of the world and their place in it. Over the many years as I dug and dug, one thought occurred to me. The truth is here; sure it’s not the easiest to find or to filter through, but its here, why haven’t more of the Black scholars written about this in detail. Then it got even worse, I started discovering Black cultures and civilizations, that really only one man wrote about, we all owe a great debt to Dr. Clyde Winters.



You see, Dr. Winters discovered something profound, he discovered that a great hoax had been perpetrated upon Black people, all those ancient civilization that you were told were White, were not, they were Black. Now I bet, just as before, when you hear that, and you think about Africa, you say no way.



I don’t blame you, but here’s the thing. Ever since recorded history began, there has always been TWO Black groups, those north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Both groups look alike, but they never thought alike or acted alike. The Blacks that left Sub Sahara Africa and went into Egypt, then on to the middle east, southern Europe, India, China, the Americas. These are the people that ancient history is really about. That’s why whites have created bogus artifacts and statues to make these people appear white or almost-white. What better way to make white people appear omnipotent and the purveyors of everything modern and good, and us poor Blacks as people to be merely tolerated and cared for. How better to control how we see ourselves as Black people? And when all that you have to compare things to is Sub Sahara Africa, ya, you have a problem.



And that’s really why I was so keen to have you-all read the online book. A group calling itself the “Human History Group� had just published it and provided it free and online. It’s the complete history of all of these people, with lots of genuine pictures of their statues and relief’s to prove that these were really Black people. The book also explains how the three races evolved and how the modern world came to be as it is. Don’t be put-off that the book starts off with Homo-something, they mean to be thorough, from the beginning of man to the end of Black rule in the world.



Now I know that some of you may be thinking: that’s all well and good, but my genes and my ancestors ARE from sub Sahara Africa, what’s it got to do with me? Ya, I know, I’ve got the same problem. And all I can say is that, well at least now you know that our situation in the world doesn’t have anything to do with being Black per se, rather it has more to do with the fact that for the most part, only sub Saharan Blacks are left.



If you’re anything like me, after reading the book, you kind of feel like you opened a new can of worms. Because it got me thinking, how is it that these Black people were so great in every way, and accomplished so much, yet my ancestors, just on the other side of the desert, didn’t do much of anything. I pondered it and pondered it, and every time that I came up with a comforting scenario, it failed under the light of day. So finally, it came to me that the only way that I could free myself and come to terms with the world, was to look at Africa objectively and honestly, and come to terms with it.



I recalled that as a young man, I used to engage in activates to help the Black community, but sometimes, in voter registration and the like, Black people would act like I was asking them to do me a favor, instead of trying to help them. And I would get angry, but the old heads would always say, now, now, Black people already feel bad enough about themselves, they don’t need you to make them feel worse, so I held my tongue. But you know; the underlying logic to that way of thinking is that there really is something inferior about Black people, and so you really can’t expect too much from them. Well I’m Black, and I certainly don’t feel that way about myself, or for that matter, many Black people that I know. Yet there is all that evidence of Black inferiority, you can’t escape it.



So like I said, I decided to come to terms with it. If any of you have children, you know there comes a time, after you have spoken to your child a thousand times, and he still won’t get it. You come to the point where you feel that the only thing that will have an effect, is a slap up-side the head, maybe that little dose of reality will wake him up, here goes.



The most basic instinct and imperative of any creature, is to protect itself. For some reason, Sub Sahara Africans find this, a strange and alien thought, let me explain. You will recall, I mentioned the Zulu warriors; well they lost their country to an inferior White force. The reason that they lost was because they failed to keep up with the world’s technology. Well you say, they were isolated, how could they be expected to know, much less keep up. Bull, they weren’t that isolated, whites didn’t seem to have any trouble finding them, and the technology that Whites took from the north Sahara Blacks could have more easily been theirs. More likely their fate was brought on by a boastful conceit that said they didn’t need better weapons because they were better men. You’ll find that this kind of boastful illogical thinking is still prevalent.



Lets go back to my childhood fantasy of going to Africa and helping to drive the Whites into the sea. You know what happened to that? Well after I got back, I kept my eye on South Africa with that in mind. But as I watched the goings-on, I noticed something, and I kept noticing it, until finally I washed my hands of it and walked away. Fortunately for them, they also finally noticed the same thing. You know what they finally figured out, after how many years?



THE PROBLEM WASN’T WHITE PEOPLE. THE PROBLEM WAS BLACK PEOPLE. THE BLACK PEOPLE THAT WHITE’S HIRED AS SOLDIARS AND POLICEMAN, WHO BLACKS EVEN ALLOWED TO LIVE IN THEIR BLACK COMMUNITES. Their oppressors by day, and their neighbors by night, how crazy is that? For those of you too young to know, once Blacks started torching the Black soldiers and policeman in their communities, it took about six months for the war to be over and Nelson Mandela released.



You remember I mentioned the king of Timbuktu, Mansa Musa. Well later, I found out what later happened to Timbuktu, and indeed all other African Kindoms, then it dawned on me, rather than being a great king, Mansa Musa was probably one of our finest examples of the boastful-dumb-ass-******, (pardon my French), this fool blew his wealth to show-off and his country wound up destitute, real smart.



A couple of months ago I was watching a T.V. program about some little kingdom in Uganda, seems the government there decided to allow the people to have back their king. Fine, no problem there, except how the people show deference to their king. They flop up to him on their bellies like fish, this is 2006!! The poor king is an educated man and he looked so embarrassed.



Then there is me, the descendent of Black slaves in America, know how I got here? Now don’t get me wrong, it worked out well for me, and I know it. I’m better off than the average African in any African country. But the fact is, as much as whites like to claim that it was them, white people didn’t take my ancestors from Africa, they BOUGHT them in Africa. Now I know that some of the Black apologists like to claim that it was Arabs who ran the slave trade, (actually Turks, by then all the people that we think of as Arab were really Turks). Sure, sure, if it makes you feel better.



But their foolishness new no bounds, because of their failure to do the things necessary to protect themselves – this goes to government as well as technology – they soon allowed whites to colonize their entire continent. And even though they finally managed to get them out, you still have this really strange situation – Africa, the worlds richest continent, is also Africa, the worlds poorest continent.



And now, they have allowed whites to do something to them that they may not be able to survive, AIDS. (If any of you think that aids is a naturally occurring disease, I want to sell you some land). The latest credible report I’ve heard, is that it came about because whites trying to fabricate a polio vaccine used monkeys instead of the usual rabbit(?) to produce the vaccine.



Now I’m not saying that Aids was loosed on purpose, I don’t know if it was an accident or not. But the fact is, whites are all over Africa, doing all sorts of experiments, and treating all sorts of people. Why – because Africans can’t take care of themselves. Many countries can’t even feed themselves; there is simply no excuse for this. No matter how you try to get around it, sub Saharan Africans have been, and continue to be, a pathetic bunch and a disgrace to Black people, and they need to stop it.



Now I know that many of you are thinking; Damn, that’s one self-hating Black man. On the contrary, I love my Blackness, and I love most Black people. What I don’t like, is having to share my Blackness with so many that don’t deserve it. What I would like, is to have more Michael Jackson’s, then I could say: hey, they’re not Black, so they’re not my problem.



By the way I don’t hate or dislike whites either, they are only acting in their own self-interest. If we Blacks were doing that, instead of the stupidness that we do, there would probably be grounds for mutual accommodation.

This is just so funny. . .after arguing for days that "Blacks" can be just as racist as "White" people.



Yepper. . .we suuuuurreeeeee can.

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No, it isn't funny, it is sad.why do we just love to hate? Gosh, i'll send all these people arguing about black on black racism/intra-racism or whatever you want to call it to check out this thread.It sums it up in a very articulate manner.

Jim999 wrote:

blaknproud wrote: I only laugh to keep from crying. Such is the negativity from other "Black" folks,I have often fallen prey to hanging out with other ethnic groups, just to hear something positive about "us".

In truth,I feel like this.

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@ The Dogon, i know that feeling cuz that's exactly how i feel reading things like this from other "black" people. Shemsi's response should've encouraged you though...

@Shemsi en Tebutsi

niceone.gifWhat a response!! That's the reason i joined this site. To read and learn from educated people like yourself and you really have done everyone in this community proud with that response. Thank you so much brotherclp)

203 views – 7 replies, does this mean that everyone else agrees with me?

Watch out – I’ll take silence as a yes, please keep it polite.

Some time ago, I took a brief look at great Zimbabwe – it was dated at 1400 A.D. If you know something better, don’t keep it to yourself.



A general thought: rejecting the proclivities and behaviors of some Black people, is not rejecting Black. As an example, have you ever seen some of the AA in the do-rags With pants at the bottom of their butts and underwear at the top. The only thing that it Reminds me of, is a cartoon character.



Children of course often do silly things, but here, there is also a parent that also thinks it looks great, they carry this on through young manhood. Instead of trying to figure it out, I simply reject them and it. (The low pants is emulating a prisoner – they are not allowed belts) it’s all just too sick for me.







The other night I was watching a program on the activities of some of the rubber barons in Brazil during the late 1800s. The program centered on one Spanish baron, his henchman and the Indian tribe they enslaved – I think they were called the Bora, this is deep in the Peruvian part of the Amazon. What the Spaniards would do, is take the woman and children hostage then take the men deep into the forest to collect rubber.



While in the forest, the henchman would often use the men for sport, using them as