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Yeah right. Have any of those Indians or Irish child molesters ever died for you? Because plenty of AFRIKANS did. It was AFRIKANS who fought to free themselves in the Caribbean from your cracker grandma and her kind.

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Mez, your just jealous you ! Firstly, my grandma ain't no cracker. She's a wonderful person and has dome much for blacks but you people would not acknowledge that or see that so i won't even bother to go any further.
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Mez, your just jealous you ! Firstly, my grandma ain't no cracker. She's a wonderful person and has dome much for blacks but you people would not acknowledge that or see that so i won't even bother to go any further.

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It's like where ever I go and i'm around people, and i tell people of my heritage it's like they want to forget i'm black. It irritates me and i should not have to hide my heritage just to be accepted which i won't do. Didn't realise that even on-line it was a problem. I kinda talked about this issue when i first joined the forum and realised it was an issue i should keep quiet, and now i wish i had not mentioned it in this thread since you all think i'm some kind of alien now.
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Much as I disagree with your emphasis on your heritage and your views I dont think you should take too much heart from the way they are ridiculing you above.

There are a few idiots on here who resort to petty cronism which to be frank makes me sick every time I see it. You know the type who have nothing to say but repeat other peoples words with astupid icon at the bottom. Stiill you neverdisrepect nobody and just expressed your view/ but now people want to take the piss out your family. You cant help who your born to. And your entitled to your view (even if it dont make sense to me). Dont mean people should curse your family for it.So the response to your post was disproportionate in the least

For the record. That aint right in my book.



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Some black people aren't black past a certain point in their ancestory. Ok everyone comes from Africa but there are people whos ancestors were white and mixed into Africans so they may look African but aren't. They're more of a genetic concuction of races.

Can't stand the ignorant caribs who claim they're not of the land they were stolen from, still in the massas' hands. True that its more of a miseducation thing than anything at times but it needs sorting man.

Thing I notice with my fam is that my US cousins arejust American, my Canadian cousins are Jamaican Canadian and my British cousins are again British born Jamaican. Only the clued up ones really know about Africa and not so much my US fam who are pretty much on HHs line of thinking that they rule the world or something .lol. piggy backing on white supremecy.Makes for intresting conversations about world culture and what not, still I'd rather my grandparents followed the rest and moved to America than England. Not to promote another European nation and drive around with another blue red and white flag, could do that here, but because America has more of a back ground and culture as Africans have been there longer than 'we' have in England,still keeping our roots here like we're more visitors than anything. lol

The only way you can be black and not African in Africa is iftheir line is mixed and ends up more African looking than white.


Black Lion is... Agu Bu Oji in Igbo, Simba nyeusi in Swahili, the name of a hospital in Addis Adaba the capital of Ethiopia.
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I don't deny my african ancestry ... how can I , I am black. But i should not get slated for saying I am carribean. That's just wrong. You know their are many people in this world who have the same racial background as me and won't EVEN EVER call themselves black. I do , and i get slated for it. I was even at one point thinking, should I just refer to myself as mixed race, indian, or what ever cause I get tired of being told i'm something which i'm not. I am black, and I love being black, and then now it's the issue of 'YOUR NOT CARRIBEAN, YOUR AFRICAN' ..... i can understand the viewpoint, but it was how I WAS RAISED and you have to understand that I've been raised to a carribean culture and life stlye and family.
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Much as I disagree with your emphasis on your heritage and your views I dont think you should take too much heart from the way they are ridiculing you above.

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Heritage is a red herring. There is NO scientific connection between the genesis of human life and the environment it inhabits. Unlike animals humans have an unmatched ability to adapt to their environment. A polar bear transported to the Sahara would quickly die, a fish removed from water likewise. Humans can live indefinately anywhere providing there is a source of food and shelter.
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'Africa', 'Asia', 'Europe', 'black', 'white'; nature is completely blind to human ideas. There are no words written upon nature. In twenty thousand years all Australians will be'black'....
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'YOUR NOT CARRIBEAN, YOUR AFRICAN'

Oh go read a book, of course you're carribean but the bulk of your ancestorsare FROM Africa origionally. Wake up and get with the program for crying out loud... go listen to some roots reggae or something and don't reply back cause I don't wanna talk to you.

In twenty thousand years all Australians will be'black'...

Hmmm... so you're saying that white people can become black and black people can become white over a period of so and so years? I'm not sure I belive in this one... prehaps its for another thread. There have been white folk around for ages, even before the ice age and the apparent loss of melanin in whites. I put it down to a genetic switch, there is an apparent explaination for europeans being as they are and yet not one for the Japs or Chinese... no ice age there. Even so 4000bcisa good six thousand years...I don't seepeoples hair changing in India after being there for 35,000 years... they have straight hair. Not curly hair like ours... I'm sure there are other examples where a peoples have been around for thousands of years in hot countries and not developed African features.

I'll start a new topic about it and see what others think as it is an intresting point of veiw that I've always considered to be europeans attempting to hoist themselves up in places they're not (as usual).



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Much as I disagree with your emphasis on your heritage and your views I dont think you should take too much heart from the way they are ridiculing you above.

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'Africa', 'Asia', 'Europe', 'black', 'white'; nature is completely blind to human ideas. There are no words written upon nature.
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Natureor humans are not blind.Hence the phenotype of the human being in a given region and time has always and will always impact on the political/economic and physical and psycological life of the individual.
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Lets take Australia for example. Whites have moved there / taken over the land and resources/ and those who were phenotypically black within that country suffrered because of their phenotype.
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Likewise Europeans who have gone there now suffer from one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world.
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So both nature and humans have impacted on the relative populations. To say that colour does not matter in human relations is a lie. To say that colour does not matter to nature is a lie. Melanin is natures way of providing those with dark skin/ protection from the suns rays. And those with dark skin are found in the more sunnier climates in the world. There is your scientific connection right there.
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This is far from coincidence. So again neither naturenor humans are blind. Both pay attention to skin colour. Whites are in danger of serious life threatening disease if they live in a sunny country. Do you seriously think there is no science to this?
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The question of identity is central to much of what happens here in the village. The village is designed for Africans worldwide, which directly addresses the damage slavery, colonialism and constant negative propaganda about Africa and its descendants has wrought on us, as a people, everywhere!

Defining oneself as African is a positive, assertive statement that we are from Africa, have a history, culture and future.


Individuals who are not clear who they are, where they are from; what their history, journey, was, is; the very foundations of their family, self, are often mentally ill (neurotic).

Likewise, a people, who cannot view themselves, inherit the same illnesses.

An African with a white father once said "emancipate yourself from mental slavery".

What Marley was addressing was culture: how a people behave, think, interact with themselves, others and the environment.

Africans have a definite, continuous history in the Caribbean.

Marley addresses this by reminding us through reggae music that we are from those Africans brought to the Americas in chains.

Being African reminds us that race, has for centuries been a social marker that differentiates the planter from the field worker; the slave-owner from the slave; the lawmaker from those who no law protects - White from Black.


Over a quarter of white Americans have African blood but they don’t celebrate Black History Month!

White people dont see their culture as African culture, regardless of their ancestry. For them, Europe is home, absolutely no confusion.

Likewise, so-called black people see Africa as home; its the beginning of our peoples story.

We could not look to Ireland or England, because it simply would not make sense. Just as whites, regardless of their ancestry, do not call themselves African.



The confusion of many of our people has occurred via intentional force.

The force of:
  • Stripping us of our names
  • Destroying our families
  • Outlawing our traditions
  • Banning our languagues
  • Genocide
  • Rape
  • Mutilation
  • Killing our men and women who reminded us of our journey and story; placing negro apologists and intellectual slaves as present day role models.
  • Mis-educating us about Africa and the history of African people, internationally.

This is calledcolonialism and it has affected Africans everywhere, some places worse than others.



So its in this cultural context that we are Africans. This is the start of our people addressing the mental damage that has obviously been done to us, damage the west refuses to own up to.

In fact, next year, the British will be celebrating, that they "made us free", two hundred years ago.





When you arrive in Africa and are greeted as brother or sister, its not because you may have some distant non African ancestor.

Its because you are back home.


And our people who return, time after time admit this truth, regardless if they were studying African history or MTV before their journey back; all those centuries of lies and confusion disappear in an instant.

Dis-unity is something that makes us “minorities� and weakens our struggle to improve our condition, worldwide.

This is why some of the most powerful Africans in the Diaspora (even the half white ones)have been people who simply reminded us we are Africans; the importance of our history, culture and identity.

All of our great people have emphasized our roots and beginnings in Africa.

Our Africaness.








History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals

Omowale Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
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My roots are in Jamaica. However, my ancestors are obviously from Africa as I am Black. So, while I am of African descent, I call myself Jamaican (well actually I call myself African American since I am now a US citizen).

Why is there such a hang up on Blacks from the Diaspora calling themselves African? Why can't we call ourselves whatever we like? It doesn't mean that we hate Africans - we're just acknowledging that we are not directly from Africa. And no, Jamaica is not just an Island to me. It's where my family is from (and where many of them are now). It's a BEAUTIFUL island. Yes, it has many problems, including an out of control murder rate, but I love it and am very proud of its accomplishments. Everyone should be proud of where they are from. I certainly am.


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