Zionism has worked for Israel making them a rich and power nation in such a short time. I only hope that africans would look at how being united helped the jews and see that Pan-africanism is the future.

HatHaruhotep wrote: Yes, you did say that in a Halle Berry thread which was subsequently deleted so don't feign ignorance.

If you want I could quote other posts from you that spout the same bullsh*t about African Britons....

Shemsi en Tehut wrote: To keep it simple, what is your opinion on this given Pan-Africanism was not even developed on the continent, but the African Diaspora?

Pan-Africanism, or the Pan African imperative, was not realized in the diaspora first. true, Diasporans gave the movement its present shape, but Africans on the continent realized long before Africans stolen to the new world were in a position or could be allowedto even think politically that the unification of all Africans was the key to the survival of the race against the unified force unleashed against them, and this shows very clearly when you read between the lines of what leaders in the past said and did.

Shaka the Zulu comes to mind here. unfortunately, historians have concentrated on his military geniality and prowess, and not what he was actually doing, what his motivation for the forced unification and militarization of various independent African nations was.

logic as we use and understand it now, even common sense, was not alien to our ancestors. some say they were better thinkers, and were more historially conscious than we are. they could connect much further back into the past than we are able to, even though some of them only had oral history to rely on.

Some of you, particularly East African and Toloane, brought up the notion that we currently lack intelligent and charasmatic leadership. I too agree with this, however, we need to be mindful that our people suffer from a Messiah complex. We often look for some powerful and great leader to save us, when the saving needs to come from the bottom up, and not from the top down.

we are a holistic people, and by this I mean we adhere to the rules of the whole (universe) of which we are but a part. we are an organism in a greater organism.considered as a living entity, we rely for our collective survival on the combined talents of the entire group. we have varied talents that you can say constitute organs or parts that go to make the whole, that are vital to its survival. we cannot all be leaders as this would mean every part is performing the same role, which would make survival within the whole impossible.

the "messiah complex", as you term it, has a function. it is a recurring theme in folklore of all peoples around the world, and this is not for nothing. it outlines an undeniablereality about human societies.

the problem with the present mindset is to think of leaders as the grown men when they manifest, whereas in reality our leaders, or potential leaders are the babies being flipped upside down by their mothers to get wiped, the kids in uniform walking to school. among them are talents that all of us will rely on for our survival. this means a few among our kids, babies, adults, have what it takes to rescue the race from its present woes, not everyone has it.

our oppressors today understand this reality very well, and this is the reason they are constantly weakening the stock of our race through various attacks as this reduces the chances for such people to blossom. this is what we need to understand. we need to wake up to this truth, especially to the many ways proposed of how we can decrease the present unnatural odds against the actualization of the talents within some of our people that we require to stay formidable.

the abovemethod constitutes the "saving needs to come from the bottom up" you are refering to, NOT the abondonement of a truth etched in all cultures.

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Please define Pan-Africanism?

Tahliba wrote: I am sure Molefi Asante and others may have a slightly different definition of Pan-Africanism, but here is mine...

Pan-Africanism:The social and political ideology that is inclusive of all indigenous African peoples on the continent and in the Diaspora, seeking to pool all these valuable resources for the collective development, progress, and manifestation of institutions, organizations, nations, politics, economics, industries, philosophies, and ideologies whose central beneficiary is the African where ever he may live.

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: If Pan-Africanism got beyond the talking and speechmaking phase it may have a chance.Since the UNIA little has been done in the US at least.



The problem I think that linking with Africa is too broad.Africa is more tribal than nationalistic when I lived there.Folks in the Horn viewed their council of elders as the law more so than the capiltal city.Maybe we should narrow our foucs.So instead of Africa we focus on nigeria,or Ghana or Malawi and tribes therein.Then we can focus .I doubt Tunisia or Libya care much for Africans in the diaspora.

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: What is Pan-Africanism? Probably has a million definitions. Is it different from what was known in the 60s and 70s as "Black Power"? In my opinion, these are ways to lift the consciousness of oppressed people - to make us feel better about ourselves and not to define ourselves by those who hate us. I wouldn't say that it is dead as many Blacks today have rejected the negative stereotypes and caricatures that used to abound and sometimes still seep through in the mainstream media.

Pan-Africanism:The social and political ideology that is inclusive of all indigenous African peoples on the continent and in the Diaspora, seeking to pool all these valuable resources for the collective development, progress, and manifestation of institutions, organizations, nations, politics, economics, industries, philosophies, and ideologies whose central beneficiary is the African where ever he may live.


Would that include those in Arab lands?

How about a connection between disporan Africans with the plan to connect to Africa after joining up the dots on the outside first? Any African nation that seeks to join can of course.

Would it work that way around?

AmeriJamCan wrote:
Is Pan-Africanism dead according to this definition...

Pan-Africanism:The social and political ideology that is inclusive of all indigenous African peoples on the continent and in the Diaspora, seeking to pool all these valuable resources for the collective development, progress, and manifestation of institutions, organizations, nations, politics, economics, industries, philosophies, and ideologies whose central beneficiary is the African where ever he may live.