To keep it simple, what is your opinion on this given Pan-Africanism was not even developed on the continent, but the African Diaspora?

For Pan-Africanism to thrive in most African communities worldwide, does it not need to be largely adopted by our continental brothers and sisters?

Do you think Pan-Africanism is an unrealistic perspectivedreamed up by Diasporans?

Im Hotep,

If we make our assesments based on the current state of things- yes. Pan Afrikanism is dead. If Marcus Garvey went to the Caribbean today he would be shot in the head. Jamaicans, Bahamians, even Trinidadians for the most part are not interested in Afrika, nor are they interested in uniting with Afrikans from the US, Germany, Ghana, etc. In fact, most Blacks in the Caribbeans pathetically scour their family lines in order to point to some European or Asian heritage even though they are Black as tar with beautiful nappy hair and ten pounds of lips. The movement in the Caribbean is one of assimilation. They want to be absorbed into Massa's culture. The crazy and mixed up Rastas are the ones who come closest to the idea of PanAfrikanism. At least they have that going for them.

In the USA, Afrikan people are pushing very hard to return to the social order of the plantation system. Here, we let crackers and Mexican crackers call us niggas, exploit our culture, and sleep with our women just like slaves. The popular notion is to hate niggas, and so we are too busy murdering each other and abandoning our children to even approach PanAfrikanism. Hell, we can't even admit that we are Afrikans, which would be the first step.

Afrikans on the Continent are still busying themselves with that ridiculous ethic group vs. ethic group horseshit. They never had a PanAfrikanist viewpoint to begin with. Afrikans in the US could be leaders in establishing this notion on the Continent, but that would require us to first admit that we have a connection with Afrika.

However, there appears to be some hope. Ghana is reaching out to Afrikans in the US and the Caribbean. Senegal and Ethiopia are exploring ways to cooperate with one another. And many Afrikans in the US are turning to Afrikan religions, particularly Ifa and the religion of Kemet. In the Caribbean, the Rastas and Orishas get together in Trini for monthly cooperative worship. So there is some movement towards PanAfrikanism, but we need to first establish that we are all Afrikans, particularly in the US and Caribbean.

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@Hat

I take my hat off to you bro.

WTF? :?

I'm sorry but HH you are totally wrong, I really do think you have an insular 'out'look on things and thats not to engage in an arguement.

If we make our assesments based on the current state of things- yes. Pan Afrikanism is dead. If Marcus Garvey went to the Caribbean today he would be shot in the head.

I seriously doubt my people would shoot Marcus Garvey if he rose from the grave and visited Jamaica. Yes things are bad but they're not as bad as the western media would like you to belive... Marcus Garvey is EXTREMELY popular in the Carribean and no one shoots anyone without reason unless caught up in cross fire. They'd be singing and dancing down the street if he came back.

How can you say that caribs scour their lines looking for european heritage and then go on to say that the only ones close to Pan Africanism are the ''crazy and mixed up rastas''? That dosen't make any sence what so ever. Even then to continue on and note that the Carib and Ghana are doign trade together... the UK/US residing Africans can't be the ones to bring Pan Africanism to the continent because there are internal problems in Africa to do with the system of things already, rather than furthering the promotion of western culture through language and other means as the Uk/US residing African would do, the continental Africans need to be pushing for the promotion of their own values over westernized ones. Nothing wrong with doing business with Africa at all but their infrastructure needs to be taken back from the west and placed firmly in the hands of Africans, real ones and not westernized ones... by all means we should be learning a dominant African language to thendo business with the people there rather than spreadingwestern customs and ways with our mannerisms.

The problem in Africa is that of Trade laws and as said the privitization of central industry. In some cases to apply for a loan from the IMF a nation has been asked to hand over certain indutries

The problem I've noted with Pan African groups is that cultural gap that has been placed on us by outsiders. I think the way forward is to solve the problems in our given countries and then reconnect with Africa both culturally and industrial wise. There needs to be an African Peoples Indudtrial Revolution and where nessary we need to be helping one another to achive this. The music industry is a prime example of this.

-BRB-

God I hate living at home....

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We've tribalized almost completely. Each of us have our ownunderstanding of things. To use the Pan African group I've just left as an example. Weseem to be together to resolve a common goal but still manage to keep our own misunderstandings of one another...

One person offended at the other for wearing clothing thats made in this and that country, the other is more continental proud and frowns when you talk with him about returning to Africa, someone else dosen't trust anyone who speaks english too well, another person thinks that the others culture is this and that type of bad, don't forget Nigerians don't like Jamaicans and visa versa for what ever reason... but lets all band together and march for this and that person, internalizing our issues until they implode and the group falls into an arguement over something stupid. (True story)

Its disheartening.

Pan Africanism is inevitable, resistance is futile. It'll come with time but I think it should, as it is, start at a more senior level and trickle down... Or people should stop talking and take action by setting up industries directly and associating said industries with Africa and other nations...

EG; The American entertainment industry is mostly ditributed to other countries by a company in Germany. I'm not sure if they have sole distributorship but if they do it should be taken from them and established in an African state.[/align]
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you are more likely to find a black students association on a white college campus than on an hbcu......campus....

when you are not the majority , you don't/can't/shouldn't take things for granted..and you are reminded daily that you are in the minority.....



it's natural that pan africanism developed in places where blacks were either the minority or oppressed by the west.....and had lost direct link/tie to the specific ethnic/tribla group(s) that we are orignally from.......

Please visit www.menofrespect.com for speeches on CD by some of our greatest thinkers. Lots of stuff on Pan Afrikanism (Dr. John Henrik Clarke) for anyone who is interested. There is one called Pan Afrikanism or Perish! that is very good.

Hat



you don't feel like a hypocrite or anything?



i don't know if it's your style...but you repeatedly make these broad generalizatins about black people from certain places..... in last one you didn't know where gmahogany was from, you read her post..and just said something like "you damned black britons.and blah blah blah..."and went on about stereotypes...that you hold about blacks from england.....

how is that compatible with being pan africanist?



for real.....



I'm not making the stuff up, so please answer the question.....

this abrasive style, and your propensity to stereotype other blacj peole instead o fjudging people as individuals makes this pro-black. pan african theme that you talk about seem very fake......



how dedicated are you to unity when the first thing out of your mouth is a stereotype.......?

real talk

Not that i'm Hat's cheerleader but to be fair to the bro at least he doesn't engender divisions by saying that blacks are better here or there. He chastises blacks everywhere with equal venom - and why shouldn't he - there's a lot of things we need to improve on.

Sooner or later the softly softly approach will need to be ditched if we are ever to achieve anything.

I hear you S.U.K., but what is accomplished by throwing out general stereotypes about groups of people......including the group you associate as?



at any rate, the group a person is most qualified to speak about is his/her own.....so the other diatribes about others don't even make sense(what are they truly based on?)

.......and the comments about his own culture are less critiques and suggestions for improvement, than just wide stereotypes....and ranting.....