As A People, What Do We Really *Want* Out Of The West???

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#1 (**permalink**))

I have recentlyposted a book reviewfor From "Superman" To Man by J.A. Rogers (in Book Review section)constructed almost entirelyofquestionsthe book forces the reader to think about.

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With all the prejudices that the African has fought hard against both physically and ideologically in the West, the time is long overdue for us to determine as a people exactly what we want. In this work, Rogerswrote emphatically that he wants "to be an American, without being hyphenated". That is, to not be considered a Black-American or African-American, but simply an American. Is this what we want? For my Afro-British brothers and sisters, do you want to simply be British without being "hyphenated"?

The reason I present this question to all is because in recent decades (at least in the U.S.), progressive strides of the African have diminished almost all together. I thinkthat progressrequires focus. What is our focus? Do we want integration into our respective Westernsocieties,do we want repatriation to Africa with restitution toAfrican lands, reparations in the form of our own separate land to create our own Diasporic countrywith provided restitution fromWestern nations, or simply a check sent to allthe African persons and entitieseffected by the African Maafa? I feel that this question needs to be collectively answered if we wish to see any further progress from our great fallen leaders of past and emerging leaders of today.

So again I will ask...As A People, What Do We Really *Want* Out Of The West???

Le Moor · (#2 (**permalink**))

Good question.

If Disporians do not collectively identify, acceptand capitalise on the advantages to be gained from living in the West, in order to advance our elevation as a race within our homelands, then we may as well consider ourselves forever lost.

TheDogon · (#3 (**permalink**))

Well, I don't really know if I want anything out of the West except, fairness.

But from Africans. . .I want a lot. So much that this website could not even contain my ambitions.

Abstract · (#4 (**permalink**))

There's no point diasporians 'going home' if a huge number of Africans are still busting their guts to go the other way...it doesn't make sense.

Diasporians need to utilise and exploit their position in the west to better themselves first, then once they are useful to themselves they can start to contribute to Africa.

The opportunities in western soceity are there, those of us already 'here' might as well use that opportunity otherwise...

...these africans rescued off the coast of Spain are dying in vain

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#5 (**permalink**))

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There's no point diasporians 'going home' if a huge number of Africans are still busting their guts to go the other way...it doesn't make sense.

Diasporians need to utilise and exploit their position in the west to better themselves first, then once they are useful to themselves they can start to contribute to Africa.

The opportunities in western soceity are there, those of us already 'here' might as well use that opportunity otherwise...

...these africans rescued off the coast of Spain are dying in vain

Brother, I here what you are saying, but I would argue that many of us Diasporans are already useful to ourselves, but we simply do not have a worthy infrastructure to invest our talents into. Most African people are surprised at how many patents, inventions, and innovations the African-American has done over the last 300 years or so in America, even when we were slaves. Today, nearly all of our most talented end up having to support the White man's societal constructs of White Supremacy.

Look at the brother Latimer who invented the filament which Thomas Edison then used to become the "inventor of the lightbulb". There were pioneering brothers who did the first calculations and engineering to get America on the moon. Even the saying, "The real McCoy" was coined because a black inventor named McCoy made all sorts of innovating things. All of our efforts and "advancements" have solely benefited the White man. Personally, I hold 2 patents, but guess who's system these innovations solely support. I am working on a 3rd, but this one, God willing, will solely support African people. I can't help if some Africans are abandoning their countries. Once they get to where I am in the Diaspora, they will realize that it was all for selfish gain, and will do almost nothing for their own people unless they develop interests and further their talents within African constructs.

This is only how I see things. Perhaps I am not thinking clearly.

Black Lion · (#6 (**permalink**))

Good question.

With all the prejudices that the African has fought hard against both physically and ideologically in the West, the time is long overdue for us to determine as a people exactly what we want. In this work, Rogerswrote emphatically that he wants "to be an American, without being hyphenated". That is, to not be considered a Black-American or African-American, but simply an American. Is this what we want? For my Afro-British brothers and sisters, do you want to simply be British without being "hyphenated"?

No!

We live in foriegn lands in Europe and have no stake to claim in that sence. We've fallen when westart wanting to become, ''British''. This place isn't a home and was never intended to be but for what ever reason people aren't returning, finding a comfortzone here whilethe west (our tax money)is busy destablizing/theiving fromour homelands so no one wants to go back or can't because of the conditions their tax money paid for.

The reason I present this question to all is because in recent decades (at least in the U.S.), progressive strides of the African have diminished almost all together. I thinkthat progressrequires focus. What is our focus? Do we want integration into our respective Westernsocieties,do we want repatriation to Africa with restitution toAfrican lands, reparations in the form of our own separate land to create our own Diasporic countrywith provided restitution fromWestern nations, or simply a check sent to allthe African persons and entitieseffected by the African Maafa? I feel that this question needs to be collectively answered if we wish to see any further progress from our great fallen leaders of past and emerging leaders of today.

So again I will ask...As A People, What Do We Really *Want* Out Of The West???

The dynamics across theseas are diffrent. We in England are from our homelands whereas you guys are displaced, thinking that the idea is to become American, what will that achive if you're not firmly rooted? The idea surely is to become African in America...African in England.Supposed to be past that whole looking for acceptance thing we're supposed to be fightingto upkeepour culture& diffrences... for the F'in hyphon not to get rid of it, its what seperates man from beast.

I personally don't think they'll give us any reparations, they can't afford it and they're not prepared to 'disturb' their social structure either.Whats needed is central industry, media outlets owned and controlled by the people, community banks and so on all whilst keepingour roots so people/the childrencan learn of their history and be proud tocontribute to Africa ready to leaveAmerika& Europe behind.Thatsbeing idealistic. If they won't allow us to have our own community banks, schools and what not be it in Amerika orelsewhere then its obvious we're not welcome and should go home to set up those things there.

Can't pray for its downfall and not prepare for it, otherwise we fall into and with it. End up joining the army and protecting it over our own. lol.

Shemsi en Tehuti · (#7 (**permalink**))

I feel the need to revamp this thread because it poses a very important question that we Diasporans and Continentals need to answer...especially if we are going to make any effective and progressive moves as serious Pan-Africanists.

TheDogon · (#8 (**permalink**))

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:

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I feel the need to revamp this thread because it poses a very important question that we Diasporans and Continentals need to answer...especially if we are going to make any effective and progressive moves as serious Pan-Africanists.

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I don't know Shemsi, I think the question is phrased wrong. We know there is a "split". Some Diasporans want integration. They want full acceptance from the West. That ain't me.

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The question seems to ask what our goals are. I think many folks here have totally different goals. But yet they can't tell themselves the truth about what they want.

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They are like sitting there pumping their fists at certain part of the speech. . .and not even sure why.

Black_Power · (#9 (**permalink**))

lol Some people would say I got it all

Money in my pocket

Own crib

A beemer coupe with decent rims

A fine yella wifey and a child with "good hair"

Big muscles

a nice collection of gold chains an bracelets...

all done before 30

isnt that what most people want??

the above is actually a joke (althouh true)

but the way some blackpeople are quick o blurt out "ive a graduate with a my won crib and good job..." you would think thats all that counts in the west..

Incognito · (#10 (**permalink**))

We love it down a babylon and even if we went back home we aint going without taking babylon with us.

Black_Power · (#11 (**permalink**))

babylon treat us good...

put gold on our necks and nikes on our feet...