Is Obama Black Enough - Page 2

TheDogon · (#26 (**permalink**))

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He's the elected senator from Illinois not the senator for Black America.

Black officials are in a can't win situation from us.We expect them to be all things for all people.How is he to "serve" black people?

Our heads are so far up our collective asses we can't see straight.

Amen! Boy, some people hate every Black person that doesn't meet their "Blacker than thou" mentality. It's amazing. But, they are entitled to their opinions. I love Obama and hope that he does run for President or Vice Pres in 2008. He would have my vote.

To both of you (AJC & BS), if that is the case, then what the hell is the thread about? Why do we even care that a Black person runs for elected office if they are not expected to particularly serve the African-American community where nearly all other politicians fail (both Dem & Repub)? That's what's wrong with too many African folks. We bend so easily by tokenship when it doesn't mean a damn thing unless the persons elected to office are truly serving us. Does anyone say, "so and so Congressman isn't running for Jewish America, or Hispanic America"??? No. But I wonder why their concerns (especially Jews) are addressed before ours, if ours are addressed at all. So do I really have a "blacker than thou" mentality, or am I just expecting progressive results in our community as opposed to falling for tokenship...and then even with a "Black" elected official...nothing will ever change...but you have your token though, so I guess you can be happy.

I agree with u. On the one hand, we're supposed to be happy and automatically throw our support to Black candidates BECAUSE they're Black, yet not expect them to serve OUR interests as Black people,apparently.If they are just like any other candidates, why should we get hyped up about them? I'll start having the same level of excitement about one of them, as I do about John Edwards, or John Kerry;just let me know.

I don't have anything against Obama, time will tell. I think other groups don't apologize for demanding that people they support serve THEIR interests, be it Jews, or evangelical Christians(even when their numbers are small). Black folks, continue to have a "hat in hand" "we shouldn't ask for too much", "we should just be happy to be here" "we have no power"vibe and demeanor, and other people,(Black politicians included), can smell it on us....They treat us accordingly. Politicians of ANY color, will only do what they are MADE to do. Accountability is the key,rewards and consequences, just like training rats or dogs. Everyone else seems to understand that, except us.

BTW, Stanley Crouch is very intelligent, but he says a lot of asinine sh*t(along with some on point stuff), on myriad topics. I also think he has a bias against non Black Americans. I've heard him say some other suspect ish, on occasion, so his stance on Obama, doesn't suprise me.

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girlfromthenc · (#27 (**permalink**))

You haven't made oneVALID piont in 3 posts you've managed to respond to. You only keep repeating "I'm African".lol. Still trying to figure out how that makes you the same culture as a Biracial man..................

AmeriJamCan · (#28 (**permalink**))

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You haven't made oneVALID piont in 3 posts you've managed to respond to. You only keep repeating "I'm African".lol. Still trying to figure out how that makes you the same culture as a Biracial man..................

Okay, it's true that Obama is not African American, but he is an African in America. Every group has pride in its origins, but I hope that Mr. Crouch is not saying that he cannot support Obama simply because Obama is not of African American heritage. Although I am proud of my Jamaican heritage, I certainly have no ill feelings towards Blacks of other heritage groups. I don't see the need to set up artificial barriers -we are collectively Black. If Obama were African American and I liked his politics, I would vote for him in a heartbeat. His ethnic background for me is a non-issue.

TheDogon · (#29 (**permalink**))

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You haven't made oneVALID piont in 3 posts you've managed to respond to. You only keep repeating "I'm African".lol. Still trying to figure out how that makes you the same culture as a Biracial man..................

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But you couldn't understand. You see, I am not some insane backwards racist freak.

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I am African. I am an African in America. If Barack Obama is bi-racial, then I am quintuple-racial. My grandmother was half-Cherokee and "Whites" have muddied my heritage on my mother's side, since slavery.

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I don't worry about "race", because I am not some racist freak. I don't believe that genes affect someone's cultural identity. Be I 1/8 African or 1/2 African I am African no more or less than any other African. Indeed, there are full-bloods who have disdain for their skin color, their way of life, their culture(s), or what have you. I will not join them in their foolishness.

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And any person having the blood and professing a strong connection to the systems of beliefs and behaviors contained within the continent, I will call brother or sister. Because blood cannot provide guidance for a person. It cannot convince a person to love themselves or their people. Only Culture can do that.

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But this is all beyond you. You are just a person who is "Black" because they look "Black".

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Good luck with your philosophy. Hopefully, you and the other folks who "look "Black", will find some peace.

girlfromthenc · (#30 (**permalink**))

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But you couldn't understand. You see, I am not some insane backwards racist freak.Then why are you trying to insist people who don't consider themselves "African" "don't have peace?

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I am African. I am an African in America. If Barack Obama is bi-racial, then I am quintuple-racial. My grandmother was half-Cherokee and "Whites" have muddied my heritage on my mother's side, since slavery.Please. To be honest I don't even believe this quintuple racial crap so I won't go there. Its still PiTFUL though, you going in circles. Someone who had common sense wouldconclude after reading this statement that you're trying to imply African means mixed/mulatto/biracial/multiracial.

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I don't worry about "race", because I am not some racist freak. I don't believe that genes affect someone's cultural identity. Be I 1/8 African or 1/2 African I am African no more or less than any other African. Indeed, there are full-bloods who have disdain for their skin color, their way of life, their culture(s), or what have you. I will not join them in their foolishness. WOW. You really believe this! If your African hertiage lead you to identify yourself as "AFRICAN", then isn't it just as logical FOR A SANE PERSON, that having White and Indian blood leads others to identifywith other"White' and "Indian" or "Multiracial" CULTURES - basically non-African? (you're running around in circles here).

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And any person having the blood and professing a strong connection to the systems of beliefs and behaviors contained within the continent, I will call brother or sister. Because blood cannot provide guidance for a person. It cannot convince a person to love themselves or their people. Only Culture can do that.I won't even bother asking about what African culture you have. If you were REALLY AFRICAN , you'd know that Africa is a continent and not some country with one big "African"CULTURE as you'd call it. There are thousands of languages and CULTURES in Africa. I'm sure this is beyond you. "You're African".

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But this is all beyond you. You are just a person who is "Black" because they look "Black".

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Good luck with your philosophy. Hopefully, you and the other folks who "look "Black", will find some peace.

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LOL. I thought you didn'tWORRY about race? Isn't that what you said in the second paragraph of this post?? lol. "You're African". "Its about culture". Ha. Race is very much a part of African culture! Why the hell do you think there are such talk of "disporian blacks" on this board?

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girlfromthenc · (#31 (**permalink**))

TheDogon wrote:

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But you couldn't understand. You see, I am not some insane backwards racist freak.Then why are you trying to insist people who don't consider themselves "African" "don't have peace?

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I am African. I am an African in America. If Barack Obama is bi-racial, then I am quintuple-racial. My grandmother was half-Cherokee and "Whites" have muddied my heritage on my mother's side, since slavery.Please. To be honest I don't even believe this quintuple racial crap so I won't go there. Its still PiTFUL though, you going in circles. Someone who had common sense wouldconclude after reading this statement that you're trying to imply African means mixed/mulatto/biracial/multiracial.

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I don't worry about "race", because I am not some racist freak. I don't believe that genes affect someone's cultural identity. Be I 1/8 African or 1/2 African I am African no more or less than any other African. Indeed, there are full-bloods who have disdain for their skin color, their way of life, their culture(s), or what have you. I will not join them in their foolishness. WOW. You really believe this! If your African hertiage lead you to identify yourself as "AFRICAN", then isn't it just as logical FOR A SANE PERSON, that having White and Indian blood leads others to identifywith other"White' and "Indian" or "Multiracial" CULTURES - basically non-African? (you're running around in circles here).

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And any person having the blood and professing a strong connection to the systems of beliefs and behaviors contained within the continent, I will call brother or sister. Because blood cannot provide guidance for a person. It cannot convince a person to love themselves or their people. Only Culture can do that.I won't even bother asking about what African culture you have. If you were REALLY AFRICAN , you'd know that Africa is a continent and not some country with one big "African"CULTURE as you'd call it. There are thousands of languages and CULTURES in Africa. I'm sure this is beyond you. "You're African".

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But this is all beyond you. You are just a person who is "Black" because they look "Black".

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Good luck with your philosophy. Hopefully, you and the other folks who "look "Black", will find some peace.

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LOL. I thought you didn'tWORRY about race? Isn't that what you said in the second paragraph of this post?? lol. "You're African". "Its about culture". Ha. Race is very much a part of African culture! Why the hell do you think there are such talk of "disporian blacks" on this board?

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TheDogon · (#32 (**permalink**))

girlfromthenc wrote:

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Then why are you trying to insist people who don't consider themselves "African" "don't have peace?

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Because if you are only "Black" because of your skin color, ya got issues. Racists taught us that skin color affected the way a person thinks or the way a person behaves. And that's plain and simple bullsh!t.

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Please. To be honest I don't even believe this quintuple racial crap so I won't go there. Its still PiTFUL though, you going in circles. Someone who had common sense wouldconclude after reading this statement that you're trying to imply African means mixed/mulatto/biracial/multiracial.

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You don't believe in "quintuple race", gee whiz. . .neither do I. Do you know how to read? Can you discern the letters that appear on this damn page?

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I do not believe in race. Therefore, I could give a got-damnabout abi-racial/tri-racial, etc., etc. I am not Halle Berry, I am not Ward Connerly. I am an African in America for the tenth damn time.

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This is as plain as day. This is simple kindergarten arithemetic. To be African is to believe in something. It is about beliefs. It is about behaviors. It is not about skin color or blood completely. Though you would expect for someone who has theblood to engage in the culture(s). Because there is something called culture. You canbe raised in an environment where you learn disdain for all things African. Poor you.

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Or you can be raised in an environment where you learn appreciation for African Culture(s) or even learn to identify with them.

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WOW. You really believe this! If your African hertiage lead you to identify yourself as "AFRICAN", then isn't it just as logical FOR A SANE PERSON, that having White and Indian blood leads others to identifywith other"White' and "Indian" or "Multiracial" CULTURES - basically non-African? (you're running around in circles here).

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Yes, I believe this. I have seen with my own eyes Africans from every cultural background imagineable, doubt the worth of their own people and own culture(s). So blood has little to do with African pride. African pride is a discipline that is taught believe it or not.

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If that person chooses to believe in something else, so be it. I can't convince someone of the worth of my culture(s)

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I won't even bother asking about what African culture you have. If you were REALLY AFRICAN , you'd know that Africa is a continent and not some country with one big "African"CULTURE as you'd call it. There are thousands of languages and CULTURES in Africa. I'm sure this is beyond you. "You're African".

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???? Are you in high school or something. Do you know what the phrase "African Culture(s)" mean???? Look, do your damn thing and stay the hell away from me. I do not engage race-believers.I do not engage "White" supremacists. If you don't believe you are African do your damn thing.

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I am African. I am descendant from African Culture(s) and all I wish or hope for is for other Africans to acceptme.

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You crazed race-believing bullsh!t cannot do a damn thing for me.

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LOL. I thought you didn'tWORRY about race? Isn't that what you said in the second paragraph of this post?? lol. "You're African". "Its about culture". Ha. Race is very much a part of African culture! Why the hell do you think there are such talk of "disporian blacks" on this board?

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Look I don't have time for no kids. Go on with your Ward Connerlys and Condi Rices. Confused backwards folks can't do a thing for me.

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TheDogon · (#33 (**permalink**))

Kunjufu and others who have asked repeatily about the African-American Experience.

Do all of you see now?

Do you all see just how backwards many African-Americans are?

Weare mostly just black people. And not "Black" people. We used to have a whip. We used to be proud and African.

But no longer.

impactplayer · (#34 (**permalink**))

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