Recently I msgd this girl on myspace. Basically she is a totally african looking girl with seemingly no mixed blood, but she calls herself Native American. When I msgd her politely asking why this was, she told me that Native Americans come in all colours and that she was a Native American because her mum was and the culture is matrilineal. She added something vaguely patronising about me not understanding genetics, probably not realising I am infact quite knowledgeable in this department.

Anyway, what do you think? Do you think she is wrong to call herself Native American. I get the impression she had never met her black father before so it's not like she could know a lot about the culture.

I met some good loons recently. I looked up the sudanese groups on myspace to find out what those terrible genocidal folks think, and I was laughing my head off. All these clearly black african folks saying they are all arab. One of them was saying that an arab in anyone that speaks arabic, and then they started saying how they hated how people in the US confused them with black americans, who they described as 'slaves'- they all agreed that they had more in common with people from Saudi Arabia and Yemen than any black american.



So what are your views? have you met any even worse lunatics?

Hi onewhostands’

I hate to tell you this, but they may rightly call you the lunatic. The first humans on this continent were indeed Black people, though your young lady may well have a hard time proving that she is descended from them. As far as I am aware the last Black tribe that there is any documentation for, is the Mississippians of the South Central States, they ceased to exist around 1500 A.D.



I know that all of this might come as a great shock to you, but that’s what you get when you depend on your enemy to tell you about yourself. There is an excellent website with a very large section on the ancient American continents (North and South). It might help you to read it. The site also contains a great many pictures of the ancient peoples pottery and statues with the faces intact. In the additional material section of this site there is also a few Mississippian artifacts, but only one or two with good facial features.



On the Arab thing: I recently read a very good explanation on a British board, so I’ll just copy it over. The website he mentions is the same one that I am talking about.



My apologies Onewhocares,
It took me this long to figure out your reply, I thought that you were just being hardheaded so I ignored it. I just realized that you were thinking that the people who currently live in North Africa and the Middle East are the original inhabitants and are the people that I was talking about; nothing could be farther from the truth.

White people are very recent migrants to Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. They originally migrationed out of the great Eurasian plains (the place where they evolved into Homo-sapiens) this area encompasses the grasslands stretching from east of the Caspian Sea to Manchuria. Whites and Mongols (Chinese if you wish) were originally the same race until about 40,000 years ago, when they split into separate races. Their migrations out of the plains began about 1,500 to 2,000 B.C. (no one has a clue as to what caused this huge movement of people).

The Mongols moved out into Japan and Southeast Asia, the Arians moved south into India and the Hittites moved into Anatolia (modern Turkey), no one is really sure about the Hittites though, White people, in an effort to establish their history, often exaggerate and embellish. Such is the case with the Hittites, they are often credited with many things that they did NOT do; these things were actually done by the original Black inhabitants of Anatolia, the same holds true for Greece and Italy.

Anyway the people that we are interested in – the Turks, are the last of the Eurasian migrants. It is believed that sometime around the time of Christ – or sooner, they began wondering in. They first established themselves in places like Albania and southern Russia (the Khazars – modern Jews) are Turks too! Later they moved into Anatolia (later called Turkey).

When the Prophet Muhammad began his wars against everybody, a large part of his army was Greeks left over from the time that they ruled Egypt and Syria - as a result of Alexander’s conquests, and these very same Turks – no way there were enough Arabs to make a large army. Later the Arabs gave these Greeks and Turks full rights and standing as Arabs, (BIG MISTAKE). First the Turks took over Anatolia, making it Turkey. Then the Turks began building an Empire called the Ottoman Empire, which included all of North Africa and the Middle East. Because of their full standing as Arabs and as Muslims they were also able to take over Islam.

In 1811, some local Arabs in Arabia (perhaps upset that White people were in charge of their religion) were making trouble. The Ottoman Sultan sent an Albanian army under the command of an Albanian Turk named Muhammad Ali to put it down, (hint: don’t take a name unless you really know what it means!). This of course made their conquest complete, Whites now controlled all of the ancient Black lands north of the Sahara, and just as importantly, they also controlled all of the major Black religions of these areas.

You correctly pointed out that Christianity was originally a Black religion just for Hebrews, (Constantine took care of that). However you made it sound like Mr. whateverhisnameis discovered something new about the Jews, he did not. It’s just that if they start talking about the Khazars, then it goes to the Christians and then to the Muslims, blowing cover for everybody, nobody wants that.

Strange thing about these Turks though, rather that asserting their own identity (outside of Turkey), they seem quite content to take on the identity of the people that they absorb. Such is the case in Iran where many call themselves Persians; in Egypt they call themselves Egyptians etc, etc. But to me the strangest one is in North Africa.

Some time ago, I was watching a Jeff Corwin nature program and he was out in the North African desert. Along came an Arab (modern) looking young man whom he introduced as a Berber. If you don’t know, the Berbers are a Jet Black people – they were called Moors after they conquered Spain.

Later Jeff and this young man went deep into the desert and there they found some Jet Black people in white clothing that did some traditional dances and such for them. But at no time were these people introduced as the real Berbers. Sometimes it’s not what you say, but rather what you don’t say. As an add-on to this, if you put “Berber� into your browser search, you will probable find a website with these same Arab looking people, as you look through the site you will not find one Black face – how’s that for gall? Funny thing, it’s the same in the United States, here you have all of these White people calling themselves Indians, when there is money involved, just a drop of the blood will do. Well now you know why you have all of these people of greatly varying colors calling themselves Arab. Hope I helped you, by the way, all this is on the realhistoryww site. You might want to read it.

The correct address is http://www.realhistoryww.com

You aint see nothing yet

Point by Point:

You) The lady in question has an African American father; hence half her heritage is African in origin.



You incorrectly assume that all Blacks of America are West African in origin and got here as a result of the slave trade, this is NOT true. I thought that I had been careful to indicate that I was not talking about your young woman in particular. Only a DNA test can establish whether she is or isn’t a Native American. The point is, that her father being Black might strengthen her case NOT weaken it. I also thought that I had made it clear that the original NATIVE AMERICANS were Blacks from Australia and the Pacific Islands. The people that you refer to as Native Americans are the LAST to arrive in this Hemisphere.



You) The Sudanese devils thatbelieve they are all Arab are obviously a product of Arab invasions and colonialism.



Sudan is a poor place to make genetic judgments: There you have the remnants of the original Nubians, remnants of the Egyptians that fled occupied Egypt, central Africans who migrated north etc. And of course you have Arabs: Here I don’t understand your difficulty: I thought that I had made it crystal clear that Arabs, like the Berbers and the Hebrews and the Egyptians and the Persians, were Black people whose identity had been hijacked by the conquering Turks. I don’t know how much plainer I can make it.

The lady I am talking about had an African American father. Hence I suggested to her part of her roots are African which she disagreed about.

I am aware of the original native americans being black like the olmecs etc.

I am not convinced that the original arabs and hebrews were black. When do you believe arabs started becoming white.

I don't know how much you know about Sudan, but the people I am talking about identify with arabs as a race and dislike black people intensely. The area became 'arab' after being invaded by people from the arabian peninsula.

It does not surprsise me at all. Those brainwashed/braindead Black muslims in Somalia try every trick in the book to trace their roots back to the prophet Mohammed's family.

Don't think for one minute that Blacks in the diasporas are the only ones to have this number done on our psyche. The ONLY difference between Jamaicans, Afrikan Americans, and Continental Afrikans is language and diet. Of all the countries in Afrika, only ONE has an indigenous religion as its official religion.They are no different from the christian Blacks in Louisianna who mix christianity with Afrikan practices (hoodoo).Afrikans on the Continent do NOT rule their countries in the traditional way. They either copy the crackers or the arab's form of government. The diet of Afrikan in the Western Sahara, such as Mali, were forever changed (for the worst) by the Islamic diet and its insistence that people sit up there and starve instead of fishing for crabs or lobsters. The Afrikan style of dress has also been changed, either due to islamic dress codes or the influence of the christian crackers.

Many Afrikans are so brainwashed that they, too, hate their blackness. Self hatred is the number one barrier to us regaining any sort of strength as a people. I went on myspace and found a girl I went to high school with, only now she is suddenly "Latina" instead of Black. Sick, sad world.

As a funny add to the story, she has no changed her ethnicity to African american and native american, even though she has been native american before I started asking her about it.

I know what you are talking about the Somalis, I think we all saw Darcus Howe's program and how they hate blacks.

My South african (black) bredrin is always beefing with the somalis in his ends who say they hate black and go to gun the brothers.

I swear back in the day black people's biggest enemy was white people, now it seems like your more likely to get rushed by asians, somalis or some other group.

Jim999 wrote: The Amerindian population were the largest in America.The chances that this lady is a dark skinned native of the first black from the pacific island is slim to none. The average native Amerindian from America,Mexico,or Canada have very very slim chances of having that bloodline because the black from the pacific island are none existent, gone or a smallpart of other populations.

This lady isprobablyof60% to80%African ancestryand wants to get into the native American clubhouse because she thinks it better.

Its likeformerU.K. sprinterColin Jackson claiming hes Native American because he has 7% native American ancestry or something.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyh...llery_03.shtml


Maybe she feels a connection to it.