Keep going my friend...................Know you've gone and praised those thatperpetrated the genocide in somalia as "African clans". Your not serious mate, you understand little about the politics of east africa.Thus your not worth my time.

FredB wrote:

The current flag was adopted in 1997. The flag of Somaliland is equal horizontal striped green-white-red. On the green stripe is the "Shahada" which means there is no God but Allah and Muhamad is his Messenger, in white script. The white strip contains a black five pointed star. The five points of the star represent the five regions in the Horn of Africa, where the Somalis live: Western Somalis, Djibuti, Somaliland, Somalia (Italian Somalia), and NFD.

Somaliland Oath
Article 129 provides icing of the cake by stating the Constitutional oath for Somaliland and it says “I swear by Allah that I shall be true to the Islamic Religion and my Somaliland Country, and shall manage my people in equity and justice so long as I hold office�.

@Hat note that somaliland like somalia was a marxist country.But know the society has become much more islamized.However they have become less pro arab.Because they know , like other somalis(me included)do.Arabs couldn't give a toss about somalis.Thus the people survived and built our countrywithout any help from the international community.At the same time somalilanders are proud muslims who have good relations with other african states.

Mohamed Al Amoudi














Born in Ethiopia and now a Saudi citizen, Al Amoudi made his fortune in construction and real estate before betting on Swedish and Moroccan oil refineries. His Svenska Petroleum conducts oil exploration from the Nordic shelf to the Ivory Coast. He is the largest private investor in Ethiopia, putting money into such diverse assets as a hotel, gold mines and a food processing plant.

@Hat, America did not invade somalia, it was carrying out food relief work with the help of the united nations, when the u.n(pakistanis) where killed by warlords who used food as a weapon of genocide.Thus the americans engaged the warlords to help withsecure food distribution paths.Ask Paris or Safety Blitz what the warlordsdid.This wasthe genocide Iwas refering to.In response to when you said:

This is not the Somalia of years ago. The Somalia that turned back the invading US soldiers was a Somalia of AFRIKAN clans, not wannabe muslims who took orders from al qaeda. Stop being ridiculous.

Those "african clans" where responsible for the genocide in Somalia. Secondly they where utterly defeated by the islamic courts union in June of this year. Which prompted the Ethiopia and the U.S.A to get involved thus routing the islamic courts. Thirdly, you have a habit of assuming things. Many somalis like myself and "somaliland" supported the islamic courts unionin kicking the warlords out of somalia which the international community ignored for 16 years.But they ruined their chances they had by thinking they could take over the world. Many somalis like myself where left bwildered by the policies they set out to achieve.Which in the end was their downfall, so their policy was far from divine.Some of their leaders dissapeared into other countries after starting a war. Nobody is going after them infact the U.S is urging for them to be brought into the political fray.Strange eh?

And stop badmouthing Ethiopia- you sure don't complain when they come over there giving you food and medicine aid!!


Again you are making cheapchildish digs at somali people just to win an argument on an internet thread.Thisis notthe first time you have mocked food shortages of african people.You need to calm down bro and relax.I have never heard a poor country such as Ethiopia giving somalis food aid.Ethiopia needs somalia more than somalia does, they need a port and they can't use Eriteria,Sudan orDjibouti's for cheap or at all.I don't have anything against ethiopian people, but i will criticise their Government all i like.In a civilized manner of course without disrespecting the culture or beliefs of entire groups of people. Without taking digs at starvation or medical aid in Ethiopia. Lastly i do not pretend to speak for or have all the answers, for all muslims, somalis and or any other africans. My comments could be wrong or they could be right.But i stick by my judgement that politics is not black and white.

Arabs cleaning up the streets? que? are you a new breed of moron? And then you go on to praise ethiopia who's government is responsible for not only invading a soveriegn country but also systematically stopping any opposing movement in it's own country. Not really a beacon of pan africansm...

I hope morons like you and shemsi don't represent "pan-africanism", people who don't appericiate or understand the complexities of the African continent have no place in pan africanism.

Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: I don't see anything remotely funny about this. Another african(hat) not for the first time making jokes about somali people and food shortages.A problem which is rampant throughout africa.This is something i would expect from a white supremacist not a "pan africanist".In reality the "jibber-jabber" is coming from him.

If you read his statement carefully, he is trying to say arabs paid somalis to clan their own streets.Which is complete bullocks because the Arab states actually where busy buying raw materials from somali warlords.Look at the example i provided, Somaliland in north western somalia has really bad relations with Arab states. Because they know arabs have their own interests and i general do not care for africans/somalis.However somaliland is a patriotic islamic/muslims enclave which has good relations with neighbouring african countries. Somalia is also part of the African Union and Igad(East african organization)



What right has Hat or anyone else got to interfere with or insult their religion, just because they don't think as he does?If you want any succesfull organisation, you have to except not everyone is gonna have the same views as your yourself. This type of attitude will make people run away from pan africanism..............

In June 1974, a few of us spent some days in Mogadishu, Somalia, as members of an ANC delegation. We had come to the capital of Somalia to attend the annual Organisation of African Unity (OAU) Assembly of Heads of State and Government. As was the practice then, the Assembly had elected the President of Somalia, Major General Siad Barre, as its Chairperson and Chair of the OAU until the next Assembly. Siad Barre therefore presided over the proceedings of the Mogadishu Summit.

During that month of June, as it hosted the Assembly, Mogadishu served as the venue for a great African celebration. The reason for the celebration was the then impending collapse of Portuguese colonialism and the liberation of the African Portuguese colonies. Unquestionably, the star of the day, who attended the Assembly, was the late Samora Machel, who was to become the first President of liberated Mozambique.

In its 24 June 1974 edition the US "Time" magazine carried an article entitled "Sinking the Lusitanian". Among other things it said: "When President Antonio de Spinola inaugurated new governors for Angola and Mozambique...for the first time ever in a public speech about the territories, (he) used the word that Africans had been waiting for him to speak: independence. 'Self-determination cannot be dissociated from democracy,' he said, adding: 'Neither can we dissociate self-determination from independence.'

"The declaration suggested that Spinola was willing to let sink his pet idea of a 'Lusitanian Federation' - a close alliance of Portugal with semi-autonomous African territories. As the general's speech went on, however, a chill set in. In an apparent volte-face from his earlier tone, he outlined four gradual stages of decolonisation, only at the end of which would the possibility of independence be broached.

"All this may merely have been Spinola's way of asserting his determination not to see white settler interests sold down the river in the territories. However it was meant, liberation movement leaders at the annual meeting in Mogadishu, Somalia, of the Organisation of African Unity...read neo-colonialism into every word. Declared Frelimo Vice President Marcelino dos Santos: 'Our attacks will be maintained and even increased until independence is conceded under the sole leadership of Frelimo.'"

If others might have had doubts about the certainty of the liberation of the Portuguese colonies, the ANC had none. In a letter of congratulations to the new Secretary General of the OAU elected in Mogadishu, William Eteki Mboumoua, Oliver Tambo said:

"Throughout the world, the forces of reaction are suffering successive defeats. The peoples of Africa and the world struggling for national liberation, social progress and peace are scoring impressive victories.

"Of particular relevance to us and to the great peoples of Africa is, of course, the heroic victory scored by our brother peoples and combatants of Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau and Cape Verde in helping to bring about the downfall of the hated Portuguese colonial and fascist regime of Caetano.

"This decisive victory has not only opened up the prospects for the rapid accession to independence of the Portuguese colonies in Africa, it has also greatly strengthened the liberation forces of our own country..."

As part of a cultural programme put together for the benefit of the delegates, a Somali drama group performed a play that sought to denounce the neo-colonialism mentioned by "Time" magazine, and which severely compromised the independence of African countries. The play had scenes of delegates visiting Western embassies on their way to OAU meetings.

Here they would be given briefcases full of cash. They would then be given instructions on the resolutions they should propose at these OAU meetings and how they should vote. The sketches included instructions on the need for these delegates to do everything possible to frustrate the struggles against colonialism and apartheid.

This was the first and last time I visited Mogadishu. For many years afterwards Mogadishu and Somalia remained in our memories as African places of hope for us, a reliable rear base for the total liberation of Africa, including our liberation from apartheid. Indeed, in later years, others of our comrades returned to Mogadishu, this time to work with the Somali government to prepare for the clandestine infiltration into South Africa of cadres of Umkhonto we Sizwe, who would travel to apartheid South Africa by sea, secretly departing from the Somali ports!

The fact of the matter however is that in time Somalia fell apart and ceased to exist as a viable state. This has led to the eventuality that, as the year 2007 began, Somalia put itself firmly at the top of the African Agenda. Whereas in 1974 all our liberation movements and independent Africa counted on Somali support to achieve the goals of the African Revolution, in 2007 Somalia needs the support of the rest of the African Continent, again to achieve the goals of the African Revolution.

It is true that Somalia remains an independent state. However, for 15 years it has been victim to a protracted internal conflict that resulted in the collapse of the state, the death of an estimated one million Somalis, the emigration of thousands as refugees, and the impoverishment of millions as a result of severe and sustained socio-economic regression.

President, South Africa
Thabo Mbek

28 Jan, 2007