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Reading the poignant work of African scholars like Chinweizu, I started to think about what a successful Pan-African movement would look like on the Continent. Would it involve Islamic countries and/orMuslims in Africa and the Diaspora? I mean, let's be real...both Muslims in the Diaspora and Africa seem to be apologists or at the very least have an affinity for Arabs...the very people who are the cause of over 1400 years of endless terror and misery. Chinweizu, a sharp-cutting Nigerian, haseven called for military action against Islamicism in Africa.

I have met African Muslims who try to include people like Libyan President, Moammar al-Ghadafi, as Africans (or brothers), as well as other sand-cracker Arabs who only look at us to further their exploits. I have a friend from The Gambia who tells of a major street named after Ghadafi, and how strict the country is under Islamic law. A female friend of mine is going there later this year, but was warned to keep thehijab onand act a certain way or it would be an "invitation to rape, and even murder". All this coming from a Muslim man, but the faithful gaze in his eye illustrated to me that he saw nothing wrong with this whileI just nodded.

Anyhow, toget back on topic...Can there be a successful Pan-African Movement that includes Muslims or Islamic countrieswhen Muslims (both Arab and African)continue to cause the most tragicdivisiveness on theContinent long-running for over 1400 years?


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Homie People will not get raped if they don't wear a hijab in the Gambia. That dude must have been messing with you. Loads of western women go there and they don't wear anything vaguely islamic. The people there are very nice and accomodating of different styles of dress. It is totally different to say Pakistan or Saudi Arabia

I agree with you about those Islamic nuts though. Most of them have pledged their allegiances to the arabs and asians and forget about the tyranny and genocide of the arabs. The apologist crap I have heard sometimes makes me sick, about how the arabs 'weren't that bad' blah blah blah. It is sad how so many of the younger brothers are brainwashe dinto this cult.
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I have met African Muslims who try to include people like Libyan President, Moammar al-Ghadafi, as Africans (or brothers), as well as other sand-cracker Arabs who only look at us to further their exploits. I have a friend from The Gambia who tells of a major street named after Ghadafi, and how strict the country is under Islamic law. A female friend of mine is going there later this year, but was warned to keep thehijab onand act a certain way or it would be an "invitation to rape, and even murder". All this coming from a Muslim man, but the faithful gaze in his eye illustrated to me that he saw nothing wrong with this whileI just nodded.
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I could debate more so. But I just had to reply that you friend is talking complete and uetter bullocks (Ithink he was kidding you)and you seem to be rather naive to belivie that without actually looking it up,,,sometimes I think you use stuff simply because it futhers your agenda (regardless of how absurd it may be and sounud). The Gambia barely has any Sharia laws (heritage is one case of it ).And there certainly isn'tany laws in Hijab. 5 %o the women wear hijab...at MOST. The only women that wear hijab and they only do it sporadically is elder women who have travelled to Mecca, but even they don't do it all the times. "Inviting rape"...LOL.. Have you actually been at the clubs there ? I can tell you for sure I thought I was in the Red Light Districts of Estonia...American clothing style is very popular...I mean very...And none of these women were raped or murdred. By the way there are lots of westernes their...women. And none have been raped yet...hmmm headpoint
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Man you are funny. I rescently visited the Chechen Resistance home page and they were complaining of how slack Islam was there...LOL what a f**king joke your "friend" was...he was surely playing you.
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I have met African Muslims who try to include people like Libyan President, Moammar al-Ghadafi, as Africans (or brothers), as well as other sand-cracker Arabs who only look at us to further their exploits. I have a friend from The Gambia who tells of a major street named after Ghadafi, and how strict the country is under Islamic law. A female friend of mine is going there later this year, but was warned to keep thehijab onand act a certain way or it would be an "invitation to rape, and even murder". All this coming from a Muslim man, but the faithful gaze in his eye illustrated to me that he saw nothing wrong with this whileI just nodded.
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I could debate more so. But I just had to reply that you friend is talking complete and uetter bullocks (Ithink he was kidding you)and you seem to be rather naive to belivie that without actually looking it up,,,sometimes I think you use stuff simply because it futhers your agenda (regardless of how absurd it may be and sounud). The Gambia barely has any Sharia laws (heritage is one case of it ).And there certainly isn'tany laws in Hijab. 5 %o the women wear hijab...at MOST. The only women that wear hijab and they only do it sporadically is elder women who have travelled to Mecca, but even they don't do it all the times. "Inviting rape"...LOL.. Have you actually been at the clubs there ? I can tell you for sure I thought I was in the Red Light Districts of Estonia...American clothing style is very popular...I mean very...And none of these women were raped or murdred. By the way there are lots of westernes their...women. And none have been raped yet...hmmm headpoint
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Man you are funny. I rescently visited the Chechen Resistance home page and they were complaining of how slack Islam was there...LOL what a f**king joke your "friend" was...he was surely playing you.
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How do you know all of Gambia is Westernized. He was only talking about the area my female friend will be visiting his family at. Furthermore, who said I actually believed him. I just said that he obviously saw nothing wrong with strict Islamic law the way he was talking. You are the one who has outdone yourself...again focusing on trivial facts to skirt around the issue at hand. niceone.gif


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If you exclude Muslims then you have to exclude Christians too. Some Christians can be said to worship the west as much as muslims worship Arabs.

If would be stupid to not include muslims. Sometimes a movement needs the piety that only religion brings.



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It would be difficult to bring most Black muslims into the Pan Afrikanist movement because their religion refers to all non-muslims as "filthy, pagans, unbelievers, etc" and advises them to stay away from all non-muslims.

The other problem is that their Arab slaveMassas will be able to use their worship of Mohammed to water down the movement and place it under Arab control- just as all Black muslims are. Black muslims cannot have a God without the Arabs. Their only link to the Divine is an arab (Mohammed). Afrikan interests and Arab interests are at odds, so who do you think Black muslims will side with? Their own people or the people who they believe connect them with God?

This is a very interesting question!


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A Pan Africanist movement would have to include Islam, Christianity and whatever including Rastafarianism. There is no way I see a movement which includes a significant continental pressence excluding these relgions...

As somebody are you going to exclude Northern Nigeria and include the South...

Don't think so we cannot impose our views of Islam on those at home or on the continent. Form of cultural imperialism and it will never happen.
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How do you know all of Gambia is Westernized. He was only talking about the area my female friend will be visiting his family at. Furthermore, who said I actually believed him. I just said that he obviously saw nothing wrong with strict Islamic law the way he was talking. You are the one who has outdone yourself...again focusing on trivial facts to skirt around the issue at hand. niceone.gif
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Well for one I have traveled more than half the country. Besides I have relaives in the entire nation (we are talkong about thousands of people) and we travel all theway to meet them (many are old and dieing so my family tries to meet them before they pass away).By the way, the further you go from citys and places where westernnasation is usually spread the less muslim and more traditionalafrican they become. People hang scorpions and spiders to protect against all sorts of shyt. and both you and I know that's hardly islamic. They have all sorts of non-muslims practices around there (more so than usual). And we are talking about places where they have no electricity or even radios...nuff said. Shortly putis there are places with supposed strict Sharia laws , then I nora 10th of population has heard of those places. Also they are likely not even ruled by the current goverment.
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Actually these parts were the most important parts of you otherwise predictable thread. I know it's useless to discuss anything the supposed topicwhen you can't even get your facts rightso I went on the "facts" rather than topic. And there is nothing trivial about that. According to me. I could care less about you issuse. Besides if you don't belivie then don't use his testimony or would you deceive us with lies?
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But you and I know how it woul go down. So why beat an already dead horse ? I would rather informe those that actually read the thread that The Gambia isn't what you or your friend claims. On the supposed issue. It's been discussed before...in various disguises.

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Good Question Shemsi. I think a successful Pan African movement would have to include everybody of all religious denomination on the condition that they do not have other interest or work for other masters. You are absolutely right, most (overwhelming majority) of African Moslems both in Africa and the Diaspora have an Affinity for arabs and most would go to extreme lenghts to defend arab causes and at the same time deny Trans-Arabian Slavery. We have seen it here; right in this board how some people behave without shame and go on worshipping Arabs. However there are few Moslem Pan- Africanist who are dedicated fully to Africa and want nothing to do with Arabs, such as the Nigerian Dr. Tajudeen Abdul Raheem Secretary General of the Pan African Movement who actually worked with us on various projects.

A succesful Pan- Africanist Movement would be one that includesthe Diaspora and Black African States andexclude the Northern African Countries of Mauritania, Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and probably Parts of Sudan particularly the Arab loving North of the Country. The South of Sudan is a hardcore Pan-Africanist land. We will have to keep a close eye on Countries like Somalia, and the Comorros islands and if they are suspected of trying to further arab agendas then we give them the boot and send them packing. I would give Somalia and the Comorros islands a chance until they prove otherwise. The movement would make it clear to all participating Countries that this is a Black African movement only and any country suspected of furthering Western, Chinese or Arab agendas would be booted out. Similarly we would have to keep an eye on Diasporan organisations like the NOI ( Nation of Islam) and if they are suspected of trying to come in and further arab agenda then they are out plain and simple.


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Well for one I have traveled more than half the country. Besides I have relaives in the entire nation (we are talkong about thousands of people) and we travel all theway to meet them (many are old and dieing so my family tries to meet them before they pass away).By the way, the further you go from citys and places where westernnasation is usually spread the less muslim and more traditionalafrican they become. People hang scorpions and spiders to protect against all sorts of shyt. and both you and I know that's hardly islamic. They have all sorts of non-muslims practices around there (more so than usual). And we are talking about places where they have no electricity or even radios...nuff said. Shortly putis there are places with supposed strict Sharia laws , then I nora 10th of population has heard of those places. Also they are likely not even ruled by the current goverment.
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Actually these parts were the most important parts of you otherwise predictable thread. I know it's useless to discuss anything the supposed topicwhen you can't even get your facts rightso I went on the "facts" rather than topic. And there is nothing trivial about that. According to me. I could care less about you issuse. Besides if you don't belivie then don't use his testimony or would you deceive us with lies?
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But you and I know how it woul go down. So why beat an already dead horse ? I would rather informe those that actually read the thread that The Gambia isn't what you or your friend claims. On the supposed issue. It's been discussed before...in various disguises.

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You seem to be taking this rather personal. It is especially peculiar that you are taking the aspects of the thread-starter at heart that isn't even at the crux of this discussion. Furthermore, I just reported what someone told me from the Gambia, and you are acting like it is my own proclamation. If it is false information, then I am not going to argue about it, especially when I have no knowledge myself. I can't be bothered with it, because it is only diversionary (perhaps intentional) from the the topic at hand.


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