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Is Malik Zulu Shabazz, born as "Paris Lewis", worthy of carrying the name of late great Malcolm X?
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Is Malik Zulu Shabazz, born as "Paris Lewis", worthy of carrying the name of late great Malcolm X?
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I'm conflicted about this brother. I've been aware of him since he was a student/activist at Howard University back in the day. He's NO Malcolm, lets get that straight, off the top(but then who is?), but even judging him on his own merits, I can't call it. He's always come off a bit strident and over the top to me(over the top types are always a littlesuspect to me). CAn't quite put my finger on it, but it'll come to me one day.Nothing concrete, just my feelings.....
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18-04-07, 06:36 AM
Brother malik shabazz has my vote any brother thats ready to stand up for the rights of our people definetly has my vote ,the brothers telling it like it is man putting that asian journalist in her place politcal whore indeed.
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That asian journalist is annoying as fukk. That's the same wretch who called the 10 year old poet Autum Asante a "racist".
She even looks like the pyscho she is. Political whore indeed. She should just wipe the figurative jizz from her mouth and clam up.
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18-04-07, 11:34 AM
Does this make it as NEWS out there in Amerika?
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Unfortunately, specifically in the video posted above, nearly every word of the Asian reporter is correct. In both interviews: with the gangster rap apologist and Malik Shabazz.
In America of 2007 in cities such as Washington D.C and Atlanta GAnearly 25% (1 out of every 4) BLACK woman will be sexually assaulted by a BLACK man. I used to work as a volunteer MOAR (Men organized Against Rap) with two African-American female friends who counselors for WOAR (Women organized Against Rape) and one of the most corrosive elements in the African-American community today is the vitrolic misogny dripping out of the mouths of the hip-hop traitors trolling the airwaves.
Just yesterday there was a type of town meeting on Oprah with the black moguls of the hip-hop industry (Russell Simmons, etc) trying to defend the gangstas and ho's and big-butts waving all over the airwaves. These black men, who are millionaires off of the backs of their nefarjious products, blamed everybody but themselves. And they were soundly (all except Common, whose music does not reflect this genre) rejected by the African-Americans (young and old) in the audience.
I heard nothing from the mouth of this Asian woman that I did not hear from African-American mouths yesterdya.
Worst still, is the avoiding of personal accountability by the tired culpability of antique slavery. In Brazil, slavery ended later than in America (1888 - I have met people who are the grandchildren of slaves) and there is grinding poverty that makes our ghettos seem like paradise but you don't see the systematic preying of black men upon black women. To the contrary, it is the poisonous venom of our African-American gangster hip-hop that now enters Brazil and seeks to denigrate women there as they do in the United States.
In Brazil, hip-hop out of the favelas as manifested by such artists as MV Bill is political. They recently united to unanimously pull out of a show when the promotor reneged on a promise to share the profits with the favelas. The urged the American artists to join them but they refused.
In Durham, three of the main persons who de-railed the accusations against the Duke students were BLACK. These black people saw the inconsistencies in the young woman's story. They love their people as well a anyone else. But they felt no need to injustly judge three whites as PROXY for the centuries of injustice heaped upon our people. You would do well to listen to how the Durham, North Carolina African-American community is handling the release of the three students based upon the mountain of evidence that exonerates them and not a bunch of people who do not live there. I have much faith in the combined wisdom of the black community who are searching for solutions to the gut and visceral problems that affect us and are not searching for a cause celebre.
Malik Shabazz is reaching when his accusations against three people in 2007 is based upon historical actions that took place 300, 200, 100 years ago. If he is telling me that, as a lawyer, he would ignore the trail of photos, phone calls and STATEMENT FROM THE GIRL'S GOOD FRIEND (another African-American woman) and still pursue this case then I have to question his credentials as a lawyer or question his personal integrity. If these were three African-Americans and the case was NOT thrown out I would have to go down to North Carolina to protest that injustice.
The District Attorney, Nifong, is currently trying his best not to be dis-barred for his actions. And right now, it appears that he will be.
We should be carefulwhen we, a people who want to build and maintaina RIGHTEOUS movement, are quiet about unrighteous actions against others. What then stops us from being imperialists, besides our lack of economic and military power?
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Unfortunately, specifically in the video posted above, nearly every word of the Asian reporter is correct. In both interviews: with the gangster rap apologist and Malik Shabazz.
In America of 2007 in cities such as Washington D.C and Atlanta GAnearly 25% (1 out of every 4) BLACK woman will be sexually assaulted by a BLACK man. I used to work as a volunteer MOAR (Men organized Against Rap) with two African-American female friends who counselors for WOAR (Women organized Against Rape) and one of the most corrosive elements in the African-American community today is the vitrolic misogny dripping out of the mouths of the hip-hop traitors trolling the airwaves.
Just yesterday there was a type of town meeting on Oprah with the black moguls of the hip-hop industry (Russell Simmons, etc) trying to defend the gangstas and ho's and big-butts waving all over the airwaves. These black men, who are millionaires off of the backs of their nefarjious products, blamed everybody but themselves. And they were soundly (all except Common, whose music does not reflect this genre) rejected by the African-Americans (young and old) in the audience.
I heard nothing from the mouth of this Asian woman that I did not hear from African-American mouths yesterdya.
Worst still, is the avoiding of personal accountability by the tired culpability of antique slavery. In Brazil, slavery ended later than in America (1888 - I have met people who are the grandchildren of slaves) and there is grinding poverty that makes our ghettos seem like paradise but you don't see the systematic preying of black men upon black women. To the contrary, it is the poisonous venom of our African-American gangster hip-hop that now enters Brazil and seeks to denigrate women there as they do in the United States.
In Brazil, hip-hop out of the favelas as manifested by such artists as MV Bill is political. They recently united to unanimously pull out of a show when the promotor reneged on a promise to share the profits with the favelas. The urged the American artists to join them but they refused.
In Durham, three of the main persons who de-railed the accusations against the Duke students were BLACK. These black people saw the inconsistencies in the young woman's story. They love their people as well a anyone else. But they felt no need to injustly judge three whites as PROXY for the centuries of injustice heaped upon our people. You would do well to listen to how the Durham, North Carolina African-American community is handling the release of the three students based upon the mountain of evidence that exonerates them and not a bunch of people who do not live there. I have much faith in the combined wisdom of the black community who are searching for solutions to the gut and visceral problems that affect us and are not searching for a cause celebre.
Malik Shabazz is reaching when his accusations against three people in 2007 is based upon historical actions that took place 300, 200, 100 years ago. If he is telling me that, as a lawyer, he would ignore the trail of photos, phone calls and STATEMENT FROM THE GIRL'S GOOD FRIEND (another African-American woman) and still pursue this case then I have to question his credentials as a lawyer or question his personal integrity. If these were three African-Americans and the case was NOT thrown out I would have to go down to North Carolina to protest that injustice.
The District Attorney, Nifong, is currently trying his best not to be dis-barred for his actions. And right now, it appears that he will be.
We should be carefulwhen we, a people who want to build and maintaina RIGHTEOUS movement, are quiet about unrighteous actions against others. What then stops us from being imperialists, besides our lack of economic and military power?
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Michelle Malkin is a known Philipino American UncleTom/Aunt Nancyand rent a mouth for the conservative Cracker agenda. She and her ilk SPECIALIZE in ingratiating themselves to Crackers by talking shit about Black folks and defending white folks, no matter the topic, so what she has to say carries no weight with me. As an African-American woman, I don't need to be lectured to by the likes of her, in reference to anything having to do with Black male/female relations, issues, pathologies. She can kiss my Black ass......
Having said that, in a thread that occured right at the time these accusations were made, I said that if they were false, the accuser should be punished. It's unfortunate that the white men were falsely accused(although.....if the script had have been flipped, and she had been white and they had been Black, we would have not been having this conversation til AFTER they had done a bid in prison, if then, so excuse me if I don't shed tears), but that doesn't concern me as much as the damage this Black chick has done to future LEGITIMATE claims of rape made by sisters, within a society that has NEVER taken OUR sexual abuse/rape SERIOUSLY, or even acknowledged that we COULD be raped. For that alone, she should have her ass whipped.
I watched Oprah's show yesterday, and I thought that some of what Russell and the others had to say was valid. What wasn'telaborated on, and I'm not suprised that it wasn't because of whose show it was and who her main concern/demographic/constituency seems to be, was when Common talked about rap having taken a turn at some point. The turn it took was that it went from a genre almost EXCLUSIVELY listened to and purchased by AFrican Americans to one that is now Overwhelmingly purchased by WHITE PEOPLE. Before white people started being the main CONSUMERS of the music, there was not only VARIETY in it, but much of it was CONSCIOUS AND POSITIVE. It wasn't a billion dollar industry, so itdidn't attract ever Tom, Dick and Harpo, who a minute ago were selling drugs and now all of a sudden they want to writerhymes(and who weren't likely to be concerned about selling poison to their own community, no matter the form it comes in), former wanna be pimps, and other assorted rif raff. It attracted people with a REAL artistic/creative bent, because you certainly weren't going to getrich doing it. The minute Crackers became interested in it, the modern day minstrel show mode that many of these rappers are in, went into full effect. Why? Because the stereotypes and imagery panders to the images/views/fantasies that Crackers ALREADY HAD ABOUT Black folks and spent much time and energy promoting about us , through movies/cartoons/t.v, for YEARS, that's why. To the extent that Russell and others like him have PANDERED to that, he should becalled out for that,(though healso signedartists who didn't fit that mold)White people, particularly , white males, are what drives that industry, yet that was somehowconveniently leftout of the discusssion. I wonder why.....
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Interesting.
I prefer to focus on how our personal feelings about 'Toms' 'crackers' etc are manifested in our strategies to alleviate, reduce, eliminate and develop alternatives for the problems that affect our peoples.
One thing about |Malcolm X that you''ll ntice is that when he was interviewed on the various talk and radio shows, many of them with very confrontational hosts, his personal feelings about the hosts never becameTHE issue. Any public appearance became an opportunity to educate and advance the cause of our people, to inform any blacks or whites who were tuned in.
Being it was on FOX, I'm quite sure that the host represents the views of that station. It appears that Malik Shabazz knew that also. So strategically, why was he there. To say F--- you? As Sonia Sanchez once wrote in one of her poems..."Uh huh...but how does that free US?" Once you go on that show you elevate that show. You establish the legitimacy of the show. If you are on that show to show your contempt for the host (for whatever reason) then prepare to do that. If you are on that show to advance the cause of our people...then be prepared to do that.
Agree with you enemy if he acknowledges a point that you agree with and then co-opt the point by pointing to a strategy that your enemy, if he/she really believes what they are saying, should also agree with.
A bigoted commentator once applauded the Million Man March for its call for Black men to be faithful husbands and providers. Rather than sounding the 'cracker' out as a 'voice forthe right wing'the Nation of Islam representative thanked him and remarked how so many of these husbands were ex-cons and how they would apprecitate it this bigot would begin to support the un-equal sentencing and lack of rehabilitation present in the American justice system.
You either expose hypocrisy or your advance your cause.
So I'm questioning the intent of the above post.
Malik Shabazz and his crew errored by judging and convicting and condemning these people in public (something strategically the NAACP Legal Fund has been fighting against for years). He then went on a TV program, hosted by someone opposed to you to defend his error.
The host may be a right-wing racist but the points RAISED on her show were not. And anyone in that same situation should be prepared to separate their personal antipathy towards a person and their committment for a cause.
Instead Malik Shabazz showed himself to be the stereotypical 'negro' showcased in the play NO PLACE TO BE SOMEBODY "Black means being LOUD.....and WRONG".
There is a friend of mine in Philadelphia who has just finished a film called "NO!". It's a documentary about the silence of Black Men concerning rape in the African-American community. It particularly affects me because several friends were in the documentary who were raped and I never knew it. As soon as I find the site I'll recommend the documentary. There is a discussion between Black men in the documentary with this main point for those blaming the lack of respect for black women on slavery. African-American women can't and won't wait for Black men to deal with white men before we stop raping them. (I include myself in the incusive 'we')
In the Oprah show yesterday. the students from Spelman (predominately African-American female university in Atlanta) made a point about accountability.
During the height of the crack crisis we made a big point of blaming the suppliers (the supposed CIA, the Columbians, and other shadowy forces) for allowing drugs into the black community and 'causing us to become addicts". So, except for some yeoman community initiatives, our militants railed against the those who supplied the drugs and not those who used it.
And now, when a crew of black youths (I won't say poor and deprived because many are not such as Tupac) SUPPLY the world with the most depraved lyrics perpetuating the negative images of their people we now demand that the USERS must be held culpable and not the SUPPLIERS.
Both positions assume a weak, helpless, slave-like African-American community with no values or mores or structuresto create an environment of accountability and internal fortitude to resist.
So who cares whether whites buy hip-hop or are the major users of cocaine? What type of community are we trying to build? One that fools itself that itis strong because no one attacks us?
I believe that if we get out of this "I AM A WAR-REE-YUR" complex (where we need to use our penlight to find some enemies) and get back to the business of nation-building we can more readily stay on point about what is important and who or what is not.
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You assume that these two things are necessarily mutually exclusive. I beg to differ. I can/will call a Tom a Tom, when I encounter one, a cracker a cracker when I encounter one AND insist that WE implement strategies, mental changes, behavioral changes to deal with what goes on in our community. Walking and chewing gum at the same time, is quite doable for me. The Nation of Islam has been doing just that for 60 years or more.
One thing about |Malcolm X that you''ll ntice is that when he was interviewed on the various talk and radio shows, many of them with very confrontational hosts, his personal feelings about the hosts never becameTHE issue. Any public appearance became an opportunity to educate and advance the cause of our people, to inform any blacks or whites who were tuned in.
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HIs personal feelings may not have become the ISSUE,but he certainly was not adverse toreferring to/characterizingsomeone as a Tom, a handkerchief head,a House ******a Klansman or anything else he felt was TRUE about them or their ilk, even when doing an interview oron a panel. Malcolm and Farrakhan after him,(and NOI members in general), tend to be unfailingly polite and civil when dealing with people one on one, be they Black or white. That is a function of style and demeanor,self discipline, and strategy. Understand it well, and can do it well, when I am of a mind, or in the moodto.....
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Being it was on FOX, I'm quite sure that the host represents the views of that station. It appears that Malik Shabazz knew that also. So strategically, why was he there. To say F--- you? As Sonia Sanchez once wrote in one of her poems..."Uh huh...but how does that free US?" Once you go on that show you elevate that show. You establish the legitimacy of the show. If you are on that show to show your contempt for the host (for whatever reason) then prepare to do that. If you are on that show to advance the cause of our people...then be prepared to do that.
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You'll get no argument with me on Malik Shabazz. See my response to the thread starter, regarding Malik. I already said he has always struck me as strident and over the top,(I said that without waiting to hear anyone elses opinion,btw), because I'm already VERY familiar with him. I also said I had some reservations about him and that I find over the top type's, suspect. I didn't elaborate, cause I don't like to go off half cocked about folks,castingunproven aspersions and what not,but his status as a staple on the show of someone like Bill Cracker O'reilly, is part of what makes him SUSPECT to me, and I"m gonna leave it at that. Ya'll can infer what you will from it.........
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No problem with this, but being a person who doesn't like it when people try to insult my intelligence(particularly people whom I don't think are as smart as I am), I like to let MOFOS know, if and when I think they are full of shit, and are being DISINGENOUS about what they are saying. That's just me though, I admittedly sometimes have to leave the: rituals/playing footsies with the enemy, to others who have the stomach and the patience for it, cause I usually don't........I reiterate, Michelle Malkin can kiss my Black ass.
A bigoted commentator once applauded the Million Man March for its call for Black men to be faithful husbands and providers. Rather than sounding the 'cracker' out as a 'voice forthe right wing'the Nation of Islam representative thanked him and remarked how so many of these husbands were ex-cons and how they would apprecitate it this bigot would begin to support the un-equal sentencing and lack of rehabilitation present in the American justice system.
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See above paragraph.
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Or if you're really smart and resolute, you do BOTH........
So I'm questioning the intent of the above post.
Malik Shabazz and his crew errored by judging and convicting and condemning these people in public (something strategically the NAACP Legal Fund has been fighting against for years). He then went on a TV program, hosted by someone opposed to you to defend his error.
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Again, see my original comments on Malik. I am very familiar with the dude, have been observing him for YEARS, and would never be dumb enough to jump off a cliff based on anything he said,lol.
The host may be a right-wing racist but the points RAISED on her show were not. And anyone in that same situation should be prepared to separate their personal antipathy towards a person and their committment for a cause.
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